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This. I actually think it looks far better in person than it does in any photo, and as an engineer I think part of that is it looks the part, but wouldn't be out of place at a valet stand. It looks better to me more immediately than the D5 did even in person. It's not...

Jeep didn't make anything like this and still doesn't. The Defender was also more than twice the price of a Jeep and offered a V8 engine, never mind the configurability offered by the 110. They were not competitors then, but Jeep would like them to be today.

The fallacy that the Defender was a direct competitor to the Wrangler and its predecessors somehow persists. Jeep *is* America. Overseas it barely sells - the last generation of Defender outsold it in Europe until 2010, but from 2000 to 2016, in all of Europe (with the same population as the...

Land Rover has made commercial "utility" variants of all of their vehicles and still do - they just don't sell them in the US, and never have. The "abrupt" departure from the original 90/110/130-->Defender style vehicle actually occurred in the 1990s when they froze the design of that vehicle...

I would be willing to bet worldwide pre-orders and orders to date of LR's Defender are already higher than the total annual number of Grenadiers Ineos is willing and able to produce. The Discovery had 20,000 pre-orders before the first one rolled off the production line, and judging by what my...

As they've said, Land Rover is about looking forward. Land Rover has many technical firsts under their belts for 4x4s and the new Defender has many of its own. Doesn't seem like they're going to be suffering for it. Defender orders are high and they're clearly extremely capable, far more...

Actually, they challenged them in court and lost, and UK intellectual property law does not allow for asserting retroactive rights like US law does (Jeep / Mahindra...). Land Rover simply never considered trademarking a shape the way Jeep did their grille and other features...

No, keep the D5, ditch the Disovery Sport for the D90, with the D90 having an expanded range of options from basic $35K coil-sprung off-roader up to $100K+ G-Wagen Rodeo cruiser / music video prop. Electrify Jaguar and collapse Range Rover sub-brand and Jaguar brand to the same electrified...

I'll add that tow ratings are driven by meeting emissions standards under load much more than they are by vehicle design. You can tow a 100 ton road train with a Land Rover Discovery or a 250,000lb 747 with a Volkswagen Touareg, or a 300,000lb Space Shuttle orbiter with a Toyota Tundra without...

Ah, the "three plus one" dead sheep option.

I'll second that - as the OP I created this thread to give an outlet to the people who are so confident in their opinions, based only on reading some teaser articles and hearing that it doesn't come with beam axles and coils front and rear with 48 inches of articulation and 37 inch tires, that...

What have you seen that shows that the new Defender isn't more capable off the lot than the old one? What have you seen that proves the new Defender can't compete well with "larger sized jeeps," whatever those are?

Ok, that's fair. Outstanding response from JLR as well....

So yesterday I spent some time in a new Defender at my local dealer. While I was there, they had two on the lot. One was a silver First Edition which was in the process of being sold, and the second one, which I checked out, was a Gondwana Stone /black roof SE P400 with pretty much every option...

Hm, so you over built a jeep and then never used it to its full capability, eh?

I turn a knob and, if I need to, push a button. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. I'm a computer and systems engineer so things like that generally come easy unless the user experience really sucks. The worst I've ever seen was Cadillac's old CUE system and the first generation UConnect. It's...

Interestingly the Jaguar E-Pace got first in its class. Porsche is also poorly ranked, despite the fact that its generally considered one of the best in 3 year dependability... If you read the JD Power site, it once again highlights that infotainment and user interfaces are the number one...

Yup. over 300K in 1980, a little over half a million today.

Angels dancing on the head of a pin is soooo 17th century...now it's how many dead sheep can fit in a Defender.

@Christian P. Yeah, recommend moving all of @CanyoneroJL 's posts to New Defender Rage/Hate Thread.