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Technically, JLR is blaming Brexit for supply chain disruptions. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T337A using Tapatalk

Go back and read the comments. Or don't, actually, that will be days of your life you'll never get back. TL;DR: The argument that a Defender is or is not a Defender is largely centered around the argument that FIS is or is not suitable for demanding off-road applications. An example in the "is...

Nonsense, there are at least two people arguing that the Defender is nothing more than a soft-roader along the lines of the Honda CR-V and that it is singularly unsuited to do anything more than drive slowly down a gravel road lest its delicate suspension and monocoque chassis rattle to pieces...

I don't think you know anything about the way the Department of Defense procures anything. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T337A using Tapatalk

The average sale price for a D1 was about $35k in 1995, the average sale price for a D2 was about $45k in 1999, then year dollars. Today that's about $58k and $70k, respectively. Sure, you could get stripper models then as you can today - and true, you don't get a low range standard on the D5...

Don't forget to factor in inflation for the years the D3/LR3 was being sold...I think you'll find the price hasn't changed relative to today's D5 pricing. Same for the last year the Defender was offered in the US and the first year the D1 was offered here. The D1 was the equivalent of a $70k car...

Ok, if you say so. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T337A using Tapatalk

Well, tell @umbertob Red Noland Jaguar Land Rover Colorado Springs is taking a simple deposit, and when they open the books you take your place in line. And then they credit your deposit toward the purchase price of the vehicle. Which is MSR minus any offered loyalty or conquest programs. That...

And yet the US military went in the complete opposite direction, dumping "Jeeps" as we know them for the FIS HMMWV. 'Murica. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T337A using Tapatalk

But the thing you keep missing is that the Defender will be supremely comfortable on road and supremely capable off-road, in a class of its own. It will be able to drive 99.99% of the trails on Earth. The Defender is smaller (including the 110) and thus more maneuverable, it has better...

Wranglers really aren't the best at anything until you spend an extra $10,000 on lifts and Dana's and 37's and the time and tools necessary to install them, or the labor if you can't do it yourself...then they're really good at one thing. I know a lot of people who have bought Wranglers, but...

I'll leave this here too...rear driveshafts that grenade on up to 50% of the vehicles on the road: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.caranddriver.com/news/amp29025302/jeep-gladiator-stop-sale-driveshaft-defect/

More fragile than, say, a body on frame vehicle whose welds crack within few hundred miles off the showroom floor? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29144073/nhtsa-jeep-wrangler-steering-shimmy-complaints/ But hey, it's field repairable, so just make sure you don't forget your arc welder and...

Ok, so FIS with lockers is good. Noted. Next.... Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T337A using Tapatalk

Define technical. If trails where one or two wheels are in the air aren't technical then I guess you're right. Poughkeepsie Gulch? Nope. But you're not taking your stock Jeep Wrangler there either. Same with the Rubicon. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T337A using Tapatalk

Bullsh*t. At crawling speeds it's like stepping off a stair. Do you break your legs when you step off a stair?? What utter nonsense. The structure in the Discovery is stiff enough that you can have two wheels in the air, and open all four doors...and then close them again. The Defender is 3x...

Again, articulation is only needs to keep all four tires on the ground. With the aid of modern traction control systems, you only need two wheels on the ground in low speed situations to maintain forward momentum and control. And so articulation is less important. King of Hammers winning rigs...

For all the reasons and in all the ways articulated numerous times already. You disagree, we get it. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T337A using Tapatalk

Absolutely. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T337A using Tapatalk

I've had corners in the air many times and never suffered for lack of traction or responsive forward motion on demand. Two wheels is enough to keep going with Land Rover's systems. In snow/ice, mud, or sand, one is enough. Those who say you need solid axles front and rear, and lockers front...