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https://www.landroverusa.com/vehicles/defender/index.html Arbitrary official naming, development, design, certification, manufacturing, marketing, testing. Your 'overwhelming' evidence would be laughed out of any meeting in an R&D or marketing setting. JLR Designers: We've come up with a...

Times like these we're lucky to be so busy at work. There are plenty who aren't as lucky. :(

265/65/18 is a good size but there's no need to run a permanent lift. If you plan to need extreme clearance just bump it 25mm at the trail head. Past 25mm lift you're exceeding the 60/40 bump/droop ratio. There's also a 255/55/19 duratrac tire which is brand new for the Defender this year, in...

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I do agree it looks great :)

Land Rover calls it a Defender, which makes it... a Defender! Which is like.... a fact, man. lol #notmydefender #fakenews #yellingatcloud #damnkidsoffmylawn

Well, it's both good and bad. I'm in Seattle, so the 0% income tax rate more than makes up for it. I'd rather be taxed on my spending than my income. This way I have a say in things before the govt can reach my pocket. The extreme wealth around tech (guilty, I'm in tech as well) means that new...

Ha, I'm out of the loop. Other comments still apply. Lighten up my dude. He can't exactly focus on off-road use with a car that's being borrowed on a test drive from a dealer...

The day the news thread is longer than the rage thread will be a good day!

Yeah, the 3rd row in my LR3 is actually useful. This seems silly. Maybe for the 130 model!

Were the driving lights just a visual thing? The OE lamps on my LR3 (esp once I swapped in LEDs in the dedicated high beam housing) hasn't left me wanting. If you haven't swapped the HID bulbs, there's a good chance that they're the originals - those fade as well! I'm up in Seattle, let me know...

Dealer called again, First Edition rolled off the truck. $74k with options plus $10k in markup plus our 11% sales tax.... That's knocking on $100k. WOOF. It's expensive to be first.

Yikes. +10k over MSRP at my local dealer. Good thing my LR3 has no problems. I will resist until at LEAST they come down to MSRP.

Just the kind of comment you'd expect from a guy who posts nowhere on ExPo but a hate/rage thread for a car he has no intention of purchasing. (edit due to not being aware of doug demuro internet drama) lol. I hope something nice happens to you today. I think you could use something uplifting.

Is it? I guess I was only looking at the First Edition build. I'm assuming its built in. Edit: Can't find a way to option with the non-ugly wheel. I suppose I could pull the panel and paint it but UGH.

OK - I kinda do hate this. Watching the doug demuro vid... why in the hell are the US spec cars using red turn signals? The Range Rovers have orange... Anyone know what option/model you need to get the all-black steering wheel?

He's saying he hates it and will continue to hate it for the sake of hating it. As usual, folks on the internet think they know better than the folks who actually design/build/market/sell these things. I work in R&D... it's hilarious looking from inside out. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TO FIX IT...

Agreed. I love the direction they took and am crossing my fingers they do a 130 so moving from the LR3 we don't have to lose any size. I am *super* spoiled with how much we can haul as is.

Why are these mutually exclusive in your mind? You don't need manual steering and vinyl seats and roll up windows and no AC to be rugged. The wrangler offers tons of luxuries but I don't see folks claiming it's downfall...

SAME CAR, NO DIFFERENCE :p