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Congrats! Real jealous... too bad our LR3 is still doing great, we're in no rush to upgrade. Aren't the stock tires 32s? I'd skip the lift rods, defeats the purpose of adjustable suspension and will lower your ride quality and handling. Does the roof rack make noise?

It's the nature of the internet. When you can hide behind a screen for some reason people instantly go to the lowest possible state of existence. I HATE THIS AND IM RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG AND GRRRRRRRR I HAVE AN OPINION! Jeep means just empty every pocket! The JL had a statistically...

Yeah, you're right. I'm gonna hit up the Honda dealer and spec 32" duratracs on my Accord. brb. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm 35. I also own stiff riding sports cars and motorcycles and such. They're great. When the weekend comes, (if not using a diff toy) I jump in the air-suspended land rover and do exactly this. Usually just with the wife, but sometimes with more people. You know what doesn't matter for us...

lol I think you should go be a CEO since you've got it all figured out. You think the chief engineer in vehicle engineering really doesn't understand this better? Dude, its as press release. Consider who's reading it. Wow.

You have a 0.1lb stove pot and spork, a backpackers water filtration system, but a 5lb tire patch kit? And 50lb of spare parts? Oh boy. I don't even know where you're going with this but I suspect its just to contradict anything and everything anyone says with regards to why the Defender...

Three days of driving to anyone? Where?

Not everybody. Some do. If you don't like it, buy another car? I love doing long distance off roading with air suspension. I get waved by a lot by wranglers and such going half the speed. "Rubber band tires" a 60-70 series tire? Not everybody dreams of awful ride quality, noise, and limited...

Nah man, forums know better. Something I realized thinking about this last night is that a lot of people specifically dislike the Defender and other EAS/modern rovers because they are a turn-key solution. These people want a 'lifestyle' of modifying their cars, whether good or bad, they want...

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Would be awfully difficult to design/test/produce anything without standards. What's this got to do with technician certification?

$100 refundable deposit does nothing but allow you to release the headline 'already sold out.' Tesla did the same for the Cybertruck in a more extreme manner without having an actual vehicle that had even been considered for production. Either way I'm glad Ford has a proper 4x4, the same way...

Nah, this thread isn't for comparing, it's for mindlessly trashing the Defender. Anything is better than the Defender last I checked :P It's basically a Kia Rio except less reliable and more expensive.

Is this the Bronco chat now? You don't release an optional 35" tire and not test it. Anyway... Like I've said 100 times, buy what you like. If you like the bronco, get the bronco. If you like the Defender, get the defender.... Personally, living in north america, 98% of my driving is...

Here's an idea, for your sake: If the only thing you're worried about is the reliability, why not relax for a year or three and see if it meets you standards? Why keep beating a dead horse?

Do you think engineers don't understand how to compute margins? Seriously? Have you ever done any analysis? Did you read the spec? Engineering is not based on common sense. They use 'math' and 'science.' Can you image being in a Design review: Engineering Lead:" "Here's the structural and...

"Enthusiasts" aka consumers with a keyboard have no say in this. You can question all you want, you still have only two options: Buy it, or don't. You aren't gonna buy one, so that's the end of it. Why is this taking hundreds of pages?

"actually" "realistically" "just reality" https://www.sae.org/standards/content/j2807_202002/ Seriously dude, your opinions and napkin calculations don't hold a candle to a testing standard. Let the experts do their jobs. It's a good thing vehicle R&D (which is my career!) doesn't take into...

Please do it. If there's anything this thread has proven it's that there are about a dozen people who cannot sleep at night because they are so enraged that HOW DARE a company which they have NO affiliation with or any sort of stake in would DARE build a vehicle that contradicts their opinions...

Can somebody bring me up to speed? I have no idea what we're talking about with regards to all this. I will however say, can the consumers please acknowledge that engineering/manufacturing/quality/etc is a really really really complex process? It's easy to sit back and try to solve this from...