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Here we go again, tell us how often you need solid axles or 37s ANYWHERE in america outside of a dedicated 4x4 obstacle course. Nearly 80k miles of touring around the american west so far.... still haven't found a place I've had to turn around....

LR4 is def bigger, its part of what's gonna be tough for us when we get a Defender... gonna need to downsize a bit with our camp gear. Having the electronic rearview mirror means we can pile some lightweight stuff (mattresses, sleeping bags, etc) up high though. Not sure why 18"s wouldn't be a...

Guess I misunderstood. Apologies. I get a bit wound up when folks start with 'how come a base truck is $30k now I remember when they were $10k!' ;)

I also remember when a nickel bought me a pack of gum and gas was $0.89. And I had to walk uphill to school both ways in the snow... Cmon, inflation is inflation. Vehicles now are far better, dollar for inflation-adjusted-dollar.

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Put hockey pucks on the Wrangler and you'll have the same issue. TFL wasn't exactly a source of truth before but now I just skip their off-roading videos. This was already stated earlier but they never actually try anything hard, its...

Underglow and a 'leveling kit?' I'd run away lol. Looks like it's got 20" wheels and lift rods, no interior pics.... idk.

I just don't see why. They're all right around $5k, anywhere from 100k to 200k+. I'd rather just get the lower mileage one, unless the 200k+ one has TONS of new stuff (trans, diffs, complete susension)

Agreed, but this guy can't stop with the towing comments. Only responding to the completely out of context post about RVs which have nothing to do with the Defender. Trying to steer it back on topic... heh. I leave in the morning :)

The LR3 is a really solid truck. As is the GX470 but the prices are just insane..... 200k+ mile trucks in the PNW pull 15k. I mean, ahem, all rovers do is break down :rolleyes::ROFLMAO: (don't go anywhere near the hate/rage thread). A PPI is always a good idea if you're not mechanically...

The defender tows more than any vehicle in its class. So... gonna buy one? Or would a wrangler suit you better? Or gonna get a road-going F150? Choice E: None of the above. You're here to do nothing but troll.

The vehicles were stock with the optional dealer-available standard sized Duratracs. -I've driven a JL for that exact reason, because of all the rave reviews. I was shocked at how badly it drove compared to my nearly 2000lb heavier LR3 on similar size/spec tires. Obviously it's more capable...

Expedition Portal Admin: "We drove the new Defender in Tanzania, the ride quality was better off road than anything we've ever tested" People on Expo: 'I bet the Defender will give a plush & luxurious ride like a champ to little Timmy's T-Ball practice' I wonder if these same folks walk into...

You're OK with a $100k+ MB You're OK with a hardcore off-road (and terrible on-road) Jeep You're OK with a vehicle that's not available for purchase yet You're OK with a vehicle that's in conceptual phase and will likely never be sold in the US. But the vehicle that rides as well as the MB, is...

Re: JeepColorado And how many people actually need capability that's at the level of a Wrangler Rubicon? There are better tow vehicles. There are better pure-off road vehicles. Sometimes, people want to have something that does more than one thing decently. The power wagon, tremor, wrangler...

mpinco for JLR CEO :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Based on your contributions to ExPo, you can can be CEO of JLR, technical writer, suspension designer, head of vehicle styling, etc.... what's next? Oh right, you're also an expert in towing despite not even being aware of how those numbers are generated, instead assuming that it was purely...

Not ignoring anything, just pretending to play engineer while you ignore the published specifications, test method, and measurement criteria. You also ignored the part where the rover isn't a pickup truck at all... soo..... yeah. Can't help ya there. Or in general I guess. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO...

^ Correct. I tried to explain this to mpinco but he got lost in common sense. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4e85/07f1e0f1cfc41dc4cb052ae328336eef1e34.pdf Plenty of great information to read if you're interested. Layman explanation is that in EU since trailering speeds are far lower and thus...

^ Correct. You didn't read the spec. Can you please read the spec? Your common sense is failing miserably here, and you've again incorrectly quoted the LR tongue weight as 330lb, which it's not. You don't have to 'work your way back and forth through the math. There is no math. You simply...

You're getting closer. Once you read the spec, you'll better understand that manufacturers aren't just throwing numbers out there like you were suggesting when you said that 'common sense' states that you can't tow with a 4 cylinder. Not sure what "1/2 ton pickup or less" means. "1/2 ton" has...