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  1. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    OMG, do you mean that LR designed the vehicle in such a way that it's not optimal for off-road use, to include the well-established desire of 4x4 enthusiast to do aftermarket modifications? I don't believe it- the Defender is the greatest 4x4 machine ever conceived of according to many people on...
  2. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    I thought I had read an article that said they wore larger than factory- my bad- honestly doesn't change anything about my overall point. The Jeep is designed from the factory to accept larger tires- even figuring things like having an adjustable tire carrier- whereas the Defender isn't. The...
  3. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Ha! I do think some of this is getting a little circular. On my morning walk with my dog a new reason to hate the "Defender" came to mind though- notice all of those African Safari Press Launch pictures where the larger diameter tire is on the roof rather than mounted on the back where God...
  4. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    I don't think it's in any way "low brow" to note that LR models have lost the way and become "fashion" baubles of the auto-world. Do you honestly believe that a Velar was designed by a company that is focused on life after the pavement ends? I think the Defender is actually a step back in the...
  5. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Doesn't inspire Hate/Rage with me- actually makes a lot of sense The article below might inspire some hate amongst the Green Oval faithful- looking through the list and reading all of these comments about how the current Defender is squandering the rich heritage of the name makes me think that...
  6. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Pictures will be flooding Instagram, Starbucks parking lots will be filled; Gravel driveways to Marth's Vineyard Mansions will be "explored" to a high-degree
  7. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    I think this is exactly the point- sure, designs change, technologies change, purpose and intent shouldn't. A 2020 Wrangler has the same purpose and intent as the CJ7 despite it being 40 years since. When the purpose and intent changes then the vehicles is truly different- for better or worse...
  8. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    If you mean the way of the LR3/4 to say that you can pick them up dirt cheap because while there is some, there's not significant aftermarket support and the secondary market doesn't trust them- yes, I'd agree, it probably will. I think it'll retain a little more resale than those- the name...
  9. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    It's a real accomplishment given all of the LR Bias that exists around here. The Defender joins the rare air of cars that were hated upon arrival- the Ford Pinto and Pontiac Aztek and later editions of the Hummer come to mind of those vehicles that will join the dustbin of history- only to be...
  10. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    After being shut down twice by moderators there is still enough dislike of the Defender to reach 100 pages; just sayin! :)
  11. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    I think there probably were those voices- in fact there was an article that talked about the balance between engineering and design- the designers one- which is why it's a fashion bauble lacking in authenticity and character
  12. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    It's a good video- I sure hope we see more of them- it would be an absolute change from years of LR history.
  13. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The video below sure beats the concrete-laden track of a well-manicured proving grounds or the wet gravel roads of an estate- I'll be waiting for your video of a modern LR doing anything close to the below.
  14. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    I'd agree...different tires and it'd be a different outcome. Couldn't see the back passenger tire, but the other 3 were at full spin- some knobby tires would have put it up the hill. The blue one is gorgeous, a black top would be perfect.
  15. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The Defender proves it's off-road worthiness!!!..A lot of off-camber situations, deep water and mud!!! I'm kidding- the off-camber situations are all on concrete, the deep water is in a pit with a gravel bottom, although there is one really legitimate muddy hill- I'll let you guess how the...
  16. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The "you don't want technology" people on here who say that anyone who wants the Defender to be rugged long for the stone ages are advancing a straw man argument. There's nothing wrong with leveraging technology- what's exciting is when a company keeps incorporating new technology into a...
  17. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    https://www.saatchiart.com/print/Photography-Land-Rover-in-front-of-a-Starbucks-Store/1065906/4847540/view Just another example of the wonderful design language of LR
  18. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The Philosophical Underpinnings that built the Defender- direct quotes from the "Spiritual Leader" of LR When it comes to accessorizing your vehicle- let's readily dismiss one of the most fundamental and enjoyable aspects of owning a 4x4 as evidenced by the incredible market for such...
  19. J

    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    I love that the standard is that the LR went a few miles under conditions LR set and didn't have any issues and now we get to wipe away decades of disappointment. Yes, it's legitimate off-roading, a trying track to be sure, but you'd need to be pretty naive or maybe just really looking for...
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