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@Doron, do you not realize that this time it's the spotter's fault? :)

The difference I think being that the Jeep has made tremendous strides in ride quality and luxury relative to LR, largely closing the gap, whereas LR still falls behind in capability and reliability, is more complicated, more expensive, and will have less available parts and likelihood that you...

I like things that simply work- which this Defender clearly isn't doing. I've used TC many times- it can be good, but it clearly has real faults- very well demonstrated by this Defender trying to climb this hill. TC takes time to learn, so does off-roading period, some systems are just more...

I disagree- I see the TC trying to do it's thing- it's just not doing it very well. The tires are stopping, starting, spinning, at some point or another throughout the video you can see each tire moving, not necessarily all at the same time, at least from any one angle of the video, but you see...

I'd say he could just replace it with an aftermarket one, but....

This post reminds me of Baghdad Bob who did that press conference for the Iraqi Army with the building shaking all around him and you could hear the bombs in the background, but yet he was saying that the US was no where close to them......The "Defender" bottoms out, slides all over the rocks...

I find amusing the the excuse-making on here- The Defender goes on an expedition to Africa controlled and managed by LR with a lot of professional drivers- not much goes wrong and everyone on here is praising it as the Best 4x4 By Far etc.. (did you honestly think it might turn out differently...

I agree, you can't really just look at individual posts; you have to look at the reports- all of which @T-Willy cites are incredibly clear- LR as a brand is horrible and clearly worse than Jeep and Toyota and basically anyone else. Regarding numbers of posts about Jeeps- sure there will be...

The simple fact that a Defender is more expensive isn't what makes it an inferior choice- the fact that it's not as good off-road, rides only marginally better than an modern JL, is worlds more complex in it's design, and the best argument that anyone on here can make about LR's reliability...

Sure, but the benefits of having a vehicle that is in much higher circulation are not. Jeep dealers are everywhere, Jeep parts are everywhere, just about every 4x4 aftermarket company on the face of the planet makes parts for Jeeps which means incredible customization and selection. There aren't...

A guy I work with gave up on his Lambo for just that reason- anytime he needed maintenance he had to have it flat-bed towed to a dealer hours away for $2,000- just for the tow. It sounded good and was a mean looking car, but man that's high maintenance for a daily driver.

This very idea has come up for me and my wife twice- recently when I was trying to decide whether to get a Jl Rubicon and 7 years ago when the new Jeep Grand Cherokee (WK2) had just come out we were deciding between it and an LR4. I went into it thinking I'd get the LR4 and I was certain that's...

As bad as Jeeps rating may be they are still better than Land Rovers! And when it does break at least it's not wildly expensive and you'll also be able to actually find a dealer outside of major metropolitan areas.

T-Willy.....any minute now DieselRanger is going to tell you that every one of those reports are just talking about the radio :)

I think @EricTyrrell is exactly right here- it's At what Cost? ...for what? that inth' degree of comfort? Stepping back to look at the entire Defender platform that's the problem- it's clear that their priorities are not with anyone who wants to Overland. We honestly shouldn't be surprised- it...

I'm sure as news comes out there will be plenty of new reasons to rage and hate against the Defender I'm sure as news comes out and more reviews come in there will be plenty of new reasons to rage against and hate the Defender! :)

I'm not saying that the Jeep will best the Defender in on-road comfort, even with good shocks- I don't think it would. The Defender will definitely ride nicer than the Jeep, but the JL is a dramatic improvement in on-road dynamics over past iterations and with some good shocks it's even better-...

You are thinking too superficially- you need to look deeper. It's not the radiators fault. It's probably not even the Engineers faults- I assume they are smart people- it's the business leaders faults. The Radiators are where they are because the leaders of the organization don't care about what...

A Defender is on-par with an out of the box Wrangler Sport or Sahara- it's just $20-$30 more- but all 3 vehicles would do about the same things. A Defender couldn't do everything a Wrangler Rubicon would do off the show room floor- no modifications needed. If you did want to throw a little cash...