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A first gen Ford Bronco recently sold for $90K at Barret Jackson. Way overpriced but highlights that people see value in old school. IH Scouts are now $15K to $30K. Relative simplicity sells. While a Ineos will have ECU's I highly doubt it will have 85. The Ineos? Likely less than 10 or even...

ECU's are no more expensive than a RaspberryPi + likely an external chip or 2 for I/O. In volume? Probably $20 or less. I'm sure the 'BMW package' includes a needed testing and cert for target markets. Wrangler's with a "1-star" rating sell 20,000 to 25,000 per month. LR with a "5-star" rating...

If the vehicle is field repairable / easy maintenance I think that support model is changing. In today's world parts can be sourced from just about anywhere in the world and overnighted to your door, or even campsite. The days of have large part inventories at your corner store is long gone...

I have a D1 with the fully flat Safety Devices roof rack. The dealer also had a SD rack that followed the contours of the D1 roof. I opted for flat as I do use mine for lumber, etc. The 'basket' is deep and I'm not sure I have seen one with a RTT. All RTT's I've seen start with a no-rails flat...

As already discussed that would not be a desirable option. The MHEV petrol is already very complex and expensive. A MHEV diesel would be of similar complexity to the MHEV petrol, at even higher cost.

JLR's move to a Luxury Defender will open up a market segment for less complex, more field repairable vehicles. Hopefully the Ineos fills that emerging market segment.

The quality of all vehicles has increased over the years. JLR is still at the bottom. Do they use parts sourced from the same suppliers as those at the top? Yes. Are LR's more complex than the ones at the top of the survey's? Yes.

Agreed.

I told my dealer we would not consider the current Luxury Defender because of the limited engine options, a 2.0L (too small) and the MHEV petrol (too complex). They quietly told me a diesel should be coming but no specifics. Hopefully that makes it back to JLRNA.

Yup, been there - done that, on my 98 Discovery. After cussing and wondering what happened and a ah-ha moment, I think I disassembled the switch on the beach, applied a temporary fix and strapped it all back together with something handy. The fix worked the rest of the weekend. The old saying -...

LOL. I assume you are joking. Reliability is a function of the number of components in a system. While component reliability has improved, the sheer number of components has risen significantly. Failure rate of a system is a function of an exponential equation that has as it power factor, the...

"...... extra displays and solar panels to keep it all powered. .........." The instrument panel will be lighter but total vehicle complexity will increase significantly as interior surfaces are now printed circuit to add displays, controls, lighting, and color change capabilities. Similar to...

The 12K miles was for a Discovery Sport. The L494 was 18K miles. The feature is the same across the models and the Defender. As I said, YMMV but in any case that is significantly less than a standard braking system, which was my heads-up. Life cycle maintenance cost will be much higher. People...

Your next generation LR will have printed circuit panels (dash, exterior, etc) that are essentially display and I/O. It will require on-board solar panels or home plug-in as the current draw will increase over today's architecture, killing batteries. Lightweight Electronics in Simplified...

Physically the two relays look the same but are wired differently.

I would consider a new Defender diesel (US market) and think very hard about Active Diff with Torque Vectoring since the rear brake service interval is now so short, significantly increasing long term maintenance cost. If the latest Traction Control is much better than I likely would not go for...

Seriously, chill out. I quoted the dealer cost because many use that as a reference and rely on dealer service. That is in the $1K USD range. That is for pads, rotors and sensors which most will need on a very short rear brake service interval. The 'real life experiences' highlighted that YMMV...

Cornering Brake Control is not the same as Torque Vectoring Brakes that applies brakes even if the driver did not apply brakes. Torque vectoring operates in all cornering, irregardless of the driver applying brakes. I would expect urban rear brake life to suffer vs straight line highway. CBC...

I would hope people can discuss the upsides AND the downsides of options, especially when someone post the link to the build and ask for feedback. We cry like babies when the LR4 needs new timing chain guides at $4500 and then blindly select an option that will add roughly $10K of maintenance...

The only feedback I have is that the thread should be titled "New Technology Rage/Hate/Praise Thread" as JLR shares technology across all products that will experience the same issues, regardless of model.