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except it’s not a requirement for 20 inch wheels, it is 19... but facts have never been the strong suit of people making knee jerk reaction posts. the news belongs here. The repetitive harping on negativity belongs over there.

Just a reminder that this is the news thread, and there is a rage/hate thread for those of you who want to keep beating a dead horse about the things you don’t like.

I am sorry I called you a mook for posting obviously factually incorrect information and then using it to attack the designers at JLR. I liked the post about manners because I think it's a good reminder (yes, even for me), and because I am sick of disingenuous comments, factually incorrect...

Calling out the repetitive trolling and thanking the poster for driving traffic all in one sentence. Beautiful. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Overwhelming evidence of how backwards and ridiculous people still act in an era of technology making everything better.

The third row is pretty stupid, but luckily it's an option. It reminds me of the useless little jump seat we had in our old station wagon.... but then again we rode to a lot of campgrounds in those little crap seats when we were young'ins.

HOW DARE THEY... *checks notes*... follow the law?

Here, I have to disagree with you. I've had a Jeep go into limp mode instead of blowing up. I mean, it was a janky little Patriot with a CVT, but it had the Jeep badge on it, so it counts. There was an innovative vehicle, compared to the Wrangler - they did some clever stuff in the Freedom...

“Outperform” in what way? If all you want is a pure rock crawler, yes the Wrangler performs better. But if you want payload? Towing capacity? Wading depth? High speed driving on washboards? Get a Defender. if you want to talk about innovation in off road tech, the multi chamber air suspension...

Since we are linking Expedition Portal articles... https://expeditionportal.com/land-rover-begins-u-s-deliveries-of-all-new-defender/ Sounds pretty innovative to me.

While Jeep certainly prioritizes off road above everything (to a fault, IMO), that does not equal innovation. Throwing the same shocks people would use in the aftermarket, and a few parts made from thicker metal on a truck that itself is a stretched out Wrangler is not innovative. It’s totally...

Um... what? Do you even know what the word “innovation” means?

The level of cognitive dissonance required to spend 135 pages of a thread arguing that Jeep is better because it still uses the same simple systems from twenty+ years ago, and does not have all these fancy new modern gizmos, and then call it innovative, is truly breathtaking.

I mean, I'm buying one, so... I will even post pictures driving it off road, unlike some people in these comments. :unsure:

LOL - I was actually all set to buy a Gladiator Rubicon (not a Wrangler because I wanted some towing capacity)... right up until I got a chance to drive the Defender. I’ve never owned a Land Rover in my life. I learned to off-road in an International Scout with manual everything. You think I am...

this is incorrect, as has been pointed out several times in this thread. Only one new Defender, the one driven by the inexperienced driver, had any issues. The others made it past the same obstacle no problem. You have repeatedly ignored this fact because it does not fit your narrative...

In one of the few English comments on the video, the person who posted it acknowledges that two other drivers had no problems getting the new Defender up the obstacle, so yeah blaming the driver seems entirely appropriate. My armchair theory is that the Defender is set to sand mode instead of...

I love that shot with the trunk... sorry, "boot" doors open. A lot of people complained about how narrow the opening was, but it was even narrower on the classic.

New Defender driving demos are starting to show up at dealers, and somebody captured a video of that legendary Land Rover unreliability and shared it to Facebook today...