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Would you just shut up with this nonsense, you Jeep worshipping fanboy troll? I've never owned a LR in my life, I just think you're spouting a lot of BS. The new Bronco is cool. I like it. It also looks like a freaking Tonka Truck toy. It's a toy that I would enjoy playing with, but if you...

So if one were to try to place an order roughly now-ish, what kind of delivery time would we be talking about? Are you even taking orders on these yet?

Just got a chance to look at the topix website - it's frustrating that they only name individual features and not the packs. It's a lot easier to look for a single pack name that you know includes a few things. A lot of VIN lookup sites for other brands are a lot clearer and show you the...

I mean yeah, I thought that was pretty explicitly clear when I called my local dealer janky?

Mostly the off-road pack and the towing pack - there are lots of others that would be nice to haves but those are top of the list.

I was on a waiting list for a long time, just trying to place the order for my custom Defender build, but my dealer was pretty janky and communication was terrible, so I got a refund on my deposit. Now that I am seeing some of them show up on dealer lots, I am considering just buying from stock...

If there's one thing the rage/hate thread has proved, it's that there are a lot of people who care a lot more about what it looks like than they do about what it's capable of. Weirdly, these are often the same people criticizing JLR design for supposedly putting "form over function", because...

I’ve been looking at a lot of social media posts about the new Bronco because it seems like a pretty sweet ride. The number of haters and trolls I am seeing is astounding. I guess it kinda comforts me that petty children are crying about that car too - it really shows that people are the ones...

I am so sick of people moaning about the front end of the Defender. Rounded front ends improve aerodynamics AND pedestrian safety - they helped make sure the Defender will be sold all over the world, passing safety and fuel economy restrictions that are much harder to hit than those in the US...

The Bronco looks like a fun truck to play in the woods, and from what I’ve seen so far I think I would pick it over the Wrangler. It has a fun look, but looks aren’t everything... luckily they got a lot right for off roading too and it looks like a better all around vehicle than the Wrangler...

I mean, he’s wrong too - but also a nerd. Everything he says is biased by high school drama because he’s being a crybaby about how Land Rover stopped inviting him to events after he trashed them unfairly. The only people who take anything he says about LR seriously are ones who, just like him...

A handful reports on the internet is not a rash of quality issues, and is completely typical for any first year of any new model. Yawn.

Why is it not looking good for the L663? Those sales numbers most likely represent manufacturing capacity, not demand. Some dealers are marking them up by $20k because of the low supply and high demand. Give it a few months for the factory to start producing them at a higher rate before judging.

Disregard my prior comment that wrongly said something about a Cherokee. I didn’t watch the video and the first result when I searched for this in the news wrongly said that it was a Cherokee he destroyed.

Because the Grenadier is a vanity project of a billionaire that will sell 25k units a year if he's lucky, and the last several iterations of the Defender were selling in the low thousands of units a year. Because Halo models like the G-wagen are the domain of companies with big cash reserves...

I don't think that's video, friend.

Just needs an orange hood. (this is my petty revenge for all the Kia Soul comments I've been reading for an eternity)

I think the hood on the Grenadier looks hideous, but lots of people said that about the Defender 2 and I think it looks great. Pretty much everything else about the aesthetics of the Grenadier is pretty great - probably sucks for aero, but so does the Wrangler and I wouldn't mind owning one of...

The beating of the dead horse is the exact reason I call it trolling. The same repetitive crap, over and over and over again.

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