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Two neighbors had soccer mom mint v8 4 runners both last two yrs suffered the same odd ball major failure. ABS unit crashed. One neighbor was coming back from Tahoe on highway 50, kids ski gear brake pedal went to the floor coming off a offramp in Sacramento. He ebraked it 190ft long skid took...

I think Toyota simply hasn’t kept up. Along with others getting better with quality and improved fuel economy. There are better choices out there.

With compact gear ranging from lounge chairs, cooking gear, refrigerators, 4x4 recovery gear. You can load one hell of allot of weight into a vehicle without feeling like its loaded full.

For the typical Dad that needs a vehicle that can economically do local errands, kid schlepping etc then also as pointed out get loaded up for a back country trip. The modern plugin hybrid with batteries stashed under the floor offers an interesting option. You get local EV trips, lots of torque...

Engine and transmission and payload. Not to mention modern safety features. If your going to pay $1000’s for a vehicle why pay new truck prices for a 8 yr old truck? Buy a used one at a big discount.

its not even a debate. Toyota is nearly a decade behind in mileage and design. In every segment. They also have started a trend of buying designs from other auto makers vs actually design their own.

Written up some place with a ford engineer interview. The 3L is the 2.7 only reworked quite a bit.

Reading this is interesting. I’m shopping for a new daddy shuttle also. Though I hope to replace both my daddy cars with one car. Save on registration, insurance, tires etc going to one vehicle for me. Wife has her plugin Fusion. Great car!! I would love a truck but that won’t fly with aging...

I recall it has more to do with non US vehicle ie black market vehicle. A close friend was a GD guy. Got t-boned in his really nice gas one not a US market version. Totally got screwed by both his insurer and the red light runner that hit him. Really injured him bad. His GD was basically...

Yeah I have high hopes but fully expect to see a botched Jeep imitation, too small for more than two people etc.

Several places, went high end and were pretty unimpressed.

The four wheel campers just hang over the end on the 5ft beds. They are built about hour from me. I spent allot of time trying to figure out how to make it work with family of 4. I scrubbed the idea. The closest I got was a shell model with homemade bunks and gear selfing. Basically too cramped...

My neighbor bought the 6.5 two yrs ago. He said it was nearly impossible to find one. He loads 2-3 dirt bikes in his needed the 6.5 in a big way. I have watched the packaging closely in recent yrs I’m due for some sort of new family rig. More and more I feel like the packaging is being driven...

Moab tip! The city pool is new, amazing and only used by travelers. LoL we spent last week of June in Moab. We spent morning till mid day out exploring then pool afternoon till closing 7pm with nearly the whole place to our selves. Oddly we found food in Utah over priced and mehh. And we are...

Same here long time Toyota owner. I haven’t even considered anything new from Toyota in yrs. Heck speaking of lazy design. For kicks I took a 2019 Prius home after dropping my 06 Sequoia off for air bag recall. The plugin Prius wasn’t even fully formatted for the US market!! They left the...

I like Toyota have had a 4runner lousy hated it, replaced it with a 93 Landcruiser loved it hated the 12mpg. Currently have the 06 Sequoia like it. I’m shopping new rides also. Honestly I haven’t considered Toyota an option for the last 8 yr or so. They are sooo dated and behind on mileage and...

I wouldn’t buy Toyota anything today. And my last three trucks were Toyota. They are just too dated and value err price doesn’t match it. I agree on the engines the 3.5 is a lousy truck engine. Its even lousy in the Highlander. Its decent in the camry tho. Never had a GM before but a Canyon or...

Thanks for sharing? I like the new ranger but lack of a 6 ft bed in 4dr ended any chance I had of getting one. Next vehicle will be a SUV. But currently there is nothing available that replaces my 06 Sequoia. They are either too small or near perfect 2020 Ford Explorer but packaged so stupidly...

Even in last week in June Moab was not our favorite place. We did however really enjoy North Rim. Jacobs Lake has lots of dirt road options. Much cooler too. Bolder Mountain Dixie NF was impressive also.

Yeah we won’t be camping in cold snow/ winter locations l, but winds, heavy Thunderstorms and occasional cool nights below zero not a big deal. The lower roof height plays into trailer storage and tow performance.