15MAR07-24MAR07 4WD/Hiking/Camping in Maze and Needles District of Canyonlands NP, UT

Consensus from BLM/NP staff is BBR is generally impassable until May.

Sooooo...we'll pass on BBR until later in the summer :D. The additional time we can spend in the Maze and Needles, hiking and sightseeing. I still have all the mileage and GEOs for BBR :D...
 

2500Adventures

Adventurer
Wish I could make it for your trek...sounds much more planned out then mine at the moment....I'll be back out there in the summer though i hope, but we'll see what happens. Best of luck on your trip.
 

2500Adventures

Adventurer
Sounds good I'll let you know more about it as I get further details. I'm joined up with the KJ Expeditionary Group and we are planning a Summer 2007 trip out there, suppost to be happening in late July I believe. But I'll keep you updated.
 
The "to-do" gear list:

Water-
Currently considering switching to 5gal Scepters vs the blue jugs I've been using, tho the 5gal jugs have travel crates. Planning to have ~20gal at the start of each leg, but the 5gal blue jugs are not easily sealed after refilling, swap opportunity is geographically limited by provider, and the Scepters have a better footprint. Looking at 4 Scepter 5gal water jugs. Also need to pick up a filter and some purification tablets.

Food-
We're planning on freezing meat. We may precook a couple things for expediency and/or food safety, but frozen meat and thawing day-of should work for most things. This way, with block ice and prefrozen meat, we won't need OBF. For proper food safety, I need another cooler. One cooler will contain "safe" items and ice, the other will carry frozen meat and similar things.

Cleaning-
A 3-4gal pot with a lid for boiling water, plus purification tablets and a good filter, should set us up for cooking omelettes in plastic bags, washing dishes and people. Easy to stash all the cookware, utensils, and dishes inside (this used to be how we did it in the BSA). Also need a simple camp toilet.

Recovery (Needs)-
Exhaust jack, backup regulator and sufficient small air parts to properly fix a leaking or broken line. A full size shovel and Quick Fist clamps to mount the shovel and hi-lift. Probably ought to get a few more QFs for things like flashlights and fire extinguishers.

Hiking-
Need a short range pack so I can carry a little more. The Camelback is pretty small...but it might work. A couple thermarest or similar pads would be good.

Other "Wants"-not necessary stuff-
2/70 HT; my new rear axle; padded cover/storage pouch for CO2 tank to keep dust and debris from damaging the tank, regulator or hose; backpacking stove, tent, and pack; tube frame in the bed to hold all this stuff.

More later :D
 
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RoundOut

Explorer
Equipment/food status

Sean,

Although like we discussed on the phone, my participation in this outing is questionable at best (read: don't depend on me being able to provide this stuff until further notice), here is my equipment status:

Fuel: Presently have four 5-gallon plastic gas cans. I’ll secure two more prior to departure. I have one 7 gallon and one 5 gallon propane bottle, and a six-pack of small propane appliance bottles. I need one more six-pack of propane.

Water: Need to purchase two 6-gallon plastic jugs. I’ll also have several 32oz. nalgene bottles. We will pre-freeze at least four, maybe six, 2-liter soda bottles with additional drinking water to be used as cold-packs. Have iodine tablets and a Katadyn purifier for obtaining additional drinking water from any source.

Food: Will also pre-freeze a gallon of milk and a gallon of OJ, in addition to a working gallon each. Unless a large quantity of chocolate is on hand, two gallons of milk should do it for 9 days for two people. Will bring at least one large tortilla per breakfast and dinner meal, to serve as a plate liner to reduce cleaning effort. For cold, longer term storage of ice and frozen stuff, I have an Igloo marine cooler, and for daily food supplies, I have a smaller cooler. All food not required cold, will be kept in stuff sacks in a large Rubbermaid storage container to easily move to the truck cab at night for critter security.

Breakfasts: Two eggs per day per person, kept in daily cooler so they don't freeze. Lots of shredded cheese and pre-cooked ham and bacon and Ziplock baggies to mix with eggs for eggs-in-a-bag, an easy omelet with no clean up. For fruit, we’ll bring one apple and one orange per day per person, purchased right before departure. If in the truck for the day, we’ll eat the fruit at breakfast. If hiking, we’ll eat it on the trail.

Lunches: A loaf of bread, lunchmeat, cheese slices, head of lettuce, beefsteak tomatoes and mustard/mayo for sandwiches. A few cans of beef barley or minestrone soup with the pop top lids, like cat food cans have. The soup heats in boiling water, then you pop the top.

Dinners: Will pre-cook and vacuum seal 1/2 pound of fajita chicken, plain chicken, and plain ground beef per day, per person. At least a dozen packages of ramen noodles to mix with plain chicken or beef. Dried gravy mix and/or beef bullion spices up the beef/ramen noodle combo. Ramen noodles come with a chicken flavor that is quite palatable. I'll bring at least one package of four-cheese mashed potatoes (by Idahoan) per day, too. These are the bomb for potatoes, whether backpacking or in base camp, and they cook up easily.

Snacks: Lots of Triscuits, wheat thins, Honeynut Cheerios, raisins, dried apricots, pecans, and pistachios in sandwich baggies for snacks.

Backpacking overnight: Four freeze dried meals - two dinners, two breakfasts per person.

Reserve food (emergency consumption only) a dozen ramen noodle packages. 4 gallons of purified drinking water in two 2-gallon "Ozarka-style" dispensers. One large box of raisins.

Cooking: I have secured free-standing, two-burner, high-BTU propane stove. I have one 7 gallon and one 5 gallon propane bottle, an appliance tree, a Coleman stove, two appliance hoses. Still need to secure a large pot. The burner is very suitable for cooking and warming large volumes of water quickly for cleaning or bathing as required. I also have a large funnel for returning unused water to containers.

Lighting: I have two small propane lanterns, one will hang from a tripod and be fueled by individual bottles as they are designed for, and the other will top my tree near the cooking station.

Misc. camping gear: Still need to secure an Easy Up Awning with sides. This will be my main tent if my son can come along. I'll also bring my smaller backpacking tent. I have a propane heater fueled by small bottles and two that are fueled by large bottles. One makes a great small-group campfire, where campfires are forbidden, especially in an easy-up. The other is good while cooking and the small-bottle one, while sleeping. Will bring cots for us if my son comes, else bring my sleeping pad.

Vehicle recovery gear: Straps: one 30' yank, one 20' yank, one tree, one 10' tow, 3 shackles, 60" hi-lift jack, two-ton come-along, shovel, two treated 2"x6"x5' planks, four 4"x4"x18" blocks for tire chalks or stacking. Several pairs gloves, 6' chain with hooks, High-lift winching kit and slider/bumper adapter, two road flares, crow bar, small sledge hammer. Various tools, including wrenches, sockets, etc. 3000 PSI scuba tank with tire inflation equipment.

Misc. survival stuff: First Aid kit (backpacking type), fleece blankets, large tarps, spool of twine, two 20' parachute cords, large zip ties, spray lubricant, extra engine oil, waterproof matches.

That is most of the list, with the exception of our day-pack and my internal frame backpacks and lots of appropriate clothes, extra socks, etc.
 

ccrider

New member
passable roads

The BLM/NP has their opinions and they do have some legitimate advice on current conditions. I however prefer to find out myself as we all have different opinions on conditions / difficulty.
Chris
 
The gear list, revised :).

Water-
Two 2.5gal Dromedaries (en route)
One 10L (5.25gal) Scepter H2O can (gotta order)
Will be freezing a bunch of bottles and stashing them in the coolers. The Scepter is mainly to have an easily refilled bulk container.

Not going to worry much about filtration/purification with only 4 days unsupported at a time...no plans at the moment for more than a single night hiking/backpacking away from the trucks.

Food Storage-
Looking at a Coleman "Ultimate Extreme" 6-day marine cooler for ice/sanitary stuff. This will complement the 5-day I already have. Engel makes 9-day coolers under the "Ultra Cool" label, but for almost 300 bucks a guy might as well save for a fridge.

Cleaning-
The Drom bags can be used as showers. Planning on getting a grip of WAG bags and making some sort of "hitch-a-pooper" or similar.

Large pot TBDW.

Recovery and Safety (Needs)-
Got a shovel from The Fire Store. Planning to mod the blade. Also got some quick fists to mount everything...they sell the QFs in bulk for cheap, went in with Gary and got a bunch.

Backup fixed regulator is on the way.

Still need to sort out the jack and air line repair parts.

Hiking-
Found a good used pack here on the board! THANKS :D! Just need to add a couple ground mats.

Five weeks to go...:jump:

With only 5 people going, we're looking at adding a general backcountry hiking/camping permit so we can hike away from the trucks and camp in designated at-large zones as we like.
 
Interesting development

The high volume of this winter's precipitation resulted in about 3-4' of snow currently on Flint Trail (the tight, steep switchbacks leading from Flint Flat to Flint Cove--from Rec Road 633 to RR 763). Hopefully it will melt off in the next five weeks. If not, we are able to make a last minute reschedule and enter from Hite, giving us potentially two nights at Maze Overlook and backpacking in the Maze and Horse Canyon, followed by two nights backpacking from the Dollhouse.

Honestly I wonder if it wouldnt be more fun to make that the plan vs the original...more hiking and camping this way, less sitting in the truck.

*edit* Response from NPS is no-go. Backpackers must start from designated trailheads, and vehicle campsites are not designated trailheads. More information on this later...looking in to what's considered a trailhead in the Maze, if there are designated trailheads near DH and MO and if the rest of the group is interested.
 
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etbadger

Adventurer
Hey,

We'll be bouncing through southern UT around that time, and would be interested in participating if there is room. We can provide such amenities as wireless hot-spot and movies with popcorn. :p

If so, what is needed, etc.

Thanks,
-Erik
 

Amado

New member
Well, the excitement is growing as March nears. I'll inventory my gear and food capacities and post on that later.
I forgot, It'll be March Madness, so I'll just pack a generator and my big screen and bring a bunch of hotdogs for food...J/K

Ready to mount up and ride again!

-EA
 
Had a good long talk with HFRS and resHQ about backcountry camping vs vehicle camping.

There are backcountry trailheads throughout the Maze, all ya gotta do is pack up your vehicle campsite, head to a backcountry trailhead parking site, and wander off. What you CAN'T do is reserve a vehicle campsite that you're not gonna use because you're parked at a backcountry trailhead and wandering the outback. What you CAN do is make last minute changes and switch vehicle camping reservations for backpacking reservations, however because vehicle camping slots are more in demand, we're keeping the vehicle camping reservations and if we all decide a couple nights in the backcountry would be fun, we'll check on availability when we check in at HFRS.

For future reference there are IIRC eleven backpacking permits open at any given time for the Maze, I don't know if it's the same for the other areas.

Given the warm weather, NPS on-site staff's guess is that the current snowpack will be off Flint by our trip.

The Drom bags arrived yesterday, gonna give them a try this weekend :D. They're BIG. I think there's a way to fit them partially inside the seat back on a Tundra. Other toys start arriving soon :D.

Erik, we have space for three vehicles at our campsites. If for some reason Gary isn't able to partake, you're welcome to help us make this a trip with "all badger scenes fully restored" ;). However, I don't think he'll know until last minute. If you want, you can also make reservations on your own for the same days, just take Cleopatra's Chair for 3/16/07, Maze Overlook 2 on 3/17/07, and Dollhouse 2 or 3 for 3/18-19/07. We'd be camping in the same area all but the first night, and you'd be able to come with as a fourth vehicle if (when!) Gary (hopefully!) makes it. Are you comfortable taking the Badgermobile over Elephant Hill? If so, we're staying at Devil's Kitchen 3/21-23/07, grab any one of DK1-3. BTW if you do choose to reserve a second set of sites, it does open the field to another two vehicles.

Hope you like hiking :D.

-Sean
 
FWIW, we will have approximately twelve hours of useable daylight each day during the trip, with twilight beginning just after 0700hrs and ending just after 2000hrs.
 

etbadger

Adventurer
If you drop to 2 vehicles in your group, we will probably be able to join in since we will likely be in the general area. I just don't really want to make extra reservations as that will somewhat oblige us, and at this point in our lives we are trying to be as un-encumbered as possible, so as to just head in whichever direction seems interesting at the moment.

I think we can get the van through elephant hill. I've read a bunch of trail descriptions on it, and we have been practicing on successively more difficult trails in the last few months. My biggest concern is the squeeze, and if an H1 can fit, I think we are fine. ...and if not, then we can have a memorable entry in the "worst stucks" thread.

If it doesn't work out we'll just have to meet up with some of you folks some other time. We will likely be spending the summer bouncing around in the UT/CO/AZ area as we start considering settling down...

-e
 

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