1967 NADA 109 cant make up my mind on this 2.6 power plant

[aka rover]

Ok you are right about the cost not being to bad but wasent in my budget for this build, I could adjust this but...

How is this motor for noise and vibration.. I was told it loud and not the smoothest.

If i installed a diesel " which i really want" I was wanting somthing on the quite side for extended trips.

Are these motors only 5k?

Ed Angel

 

[tacr2man]

Sorry a tad late coming into this thread , as it has moved into diesel territory pretty well . Couple of points from past experience
1. The 2.6 is basically not bad engine , its torque characteristics are well suited to the original use profile of the series landrover
2. As previously posted most of probs with it are caused by poor maintenance eg not maintaining valve clearance on exh valves leading to burnt valves , another thing to look at is the drive quill shaft for the oil pump and ign distributor , it has a brass gear that drives off the side of the camshaft , this tends to wear esp if oil not been changed regularly . You can fit new gear to shaft If you can find one.
3 If going to a large (relative) capacity diesel , they tend to be limited in rev range eg 2600 governed. I fitted a truck engine (3.8L leyland) into a 109 series 11a back in early 70s had to fit o/d to gearbox and 4.1 diffs running 750x16 tyres . This resulted in a 60mph cruise at about 2400 rpm . It would go up hill at same speed so there was plenty of pull still in hand even towing! The only real problem is it made the vehicle a bit front heavy for off road , and noise levels are quite high ( had headphones to plug into audio )
4. 300tdi is a better option than 200tdi several reasons , should be sourceable from discovery , can be made to work in series /defender even with EDC , but can retrofit non computer inj pump as well. HTSH

 

[Antichrist]

3 If going to a large (relative) capacity diesel , they tend to be limited in rev range eg 2600 governed. I fitted a truck engine (3.8L leyland) into a 109 series 11a back in early 70s had to fit o/d to gearbox and 4.1 diffs running 750x16 tyres . This resulted in a 60mph cruise at about 2400 rpm . It would go up hill at same speed so there was plenty of pull still in hand even towing! The only real problem is it made the vehicle a bit front heavy for off road , and noise levels are quite high

Sounds sort of like the Perkins 4.208 conversions I did. Overdrive, 7.50x16 tires and Range Rover R&P.

 

[aka rover]

I have determined to go with a smaller diesel but havent determined which one yet, As for my 2.6 six there is more of a purist than i that needs it so it will go into his NADA.
The mercedes conversion really looks good to me but i havent settled on anything yet, I keep looking at the chevy power as an alternitive but i just really like the diesel thing, kinda a personal preference.

Reading Mercedesrover's thread makes me wonder on gearing, he went to 4.88s to get highway speeds from his setup. I was hoping with my 3.54 gears and 1:1 final drive transmission gear, I could re-gear t-case to get my final drive where it needs to be.

But this is the least of my worries at this time, thanks guys for all the input it all helps in me making my decision.

Cheers Ed

 

[blue bomber]

Thanks for the props Ed. I have been a long time lurker but this is my first post. My name is Matthew and I work at Advance Adapters. I have had my series II 88 for over sixteen years and it has been in use almost all of this time. This rig has the V8 swap in that Ed was referring to. Here is an image of truck. I'll talk with you soon ,Ed.

 

[LtFuzz]

I have determined to go with a smaller diesel but havent determined which one yet, As for my 2.6 six there is more of a purist than i that needs it so it will go into his NADA.
The mercedes conversion really looks good to me but i havent settled on anything yet, I keep looking at the chevy power as an alternitive but i just really like the diesel thing, kinda a personal preference.

Reading Mercedesrover's thread makes me wonder on gearing, he went to 4.88s to get highway speeds from his setup. I was hoping with my 3.54 gears and 1:1 final drive transmission gear, I could re-gear t-case to get my final drive where it needs to be.

But this is the least of my worries at this time, thanks guys for all the input it all helps in me making my decision.

Cheers Ed

Have you looked into an earlier Cummins B3.3? I've never priced one but they definitely fit the profile of a small, basic, ultra-reliable motor.

They're used in larger tractors/combines. The NA versions get around 90hp, 220 lb ft if I remember correctly. I wanna say they aren't much heavier than the Rover diesels -- i.e. in that 500 pound range.

 

[blue bomber]

I have to share some images for you diesel-koolaid drinkers. This engine is a 6at cummins. A nice engine for a diesel enthusiast and fits well if you have the skill set to make it happen.

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The last image was the engine that I was going to install into my fj-60 . The smogman and life got in the way. The project is down the road now I'll dig up some more images for those that are interested.

 

[aka rover]

The last image was the engine that I was going to install into my fj-60 . The smogman and life got in the way. The project is down the road now I'll dig up some more images for those that are interested.

Hmm

So you are a closet diesel guy..!!!!

Some more pics would be great, I need to call you on adapter stuff.


Cheers Ed

 

[aka rover]

Thanks for the props Ed. I have been a long time lurker but this is my first post. My name is Matthew and I work at Advance Adapters. I have had my series II 88 for over sixteen years and it has been in use almost all of this time. This rig has the V8 swap in that Ed was referring to. Here is an image of truck. I'll talk with you soon ,Ed.

Ok

I made up my mind and I am "DRINKING" the Diesel KOOL-AID as some might say....

The motor is purchased and is the OM617 mercedes turbo diesel
The tranny is the jeep T-176 close ratio tranny as i dont need a granny low.
The T-case is the stock rover series case.

Thanks to Matthew and AA i have all my parts comming... Matthew got me all the items i needed to complete my swap and was a big help with setting me up with all the pieces i needed to get the job done.

He was eager to awnser questions and made sure I didnt buy anything I didnt need "THANKS MATT".

He got me in touch with other Rover suppliers that complemented the parts he sold me, when done I should have a very simple but road worthy Rover that will be able to take on a trail or two when needed.


So the build begains..!!!!

Cheers Ed

 

[greenmeanie]

I'm not trying to stop you from your chosen path but a Chevy six can be done quite neatly in a LR engine bay. That's a 292 but only the height changes over a 250. Like you, the original installation was pretty ropey.

 

[blue bomber]

How is Austria?

 

[greenmeanie]

Ah, we ended up in Switzerland in the hills above Lake Geneva between Lausanne and Geneva. Compared to Phoenix its very green, it actually has seasons and is otherwise very pretty. Its also eye wateringly expensive but companies pay accordingly. I definitely ain't in Kansas anymore Toto.

The 4 wheeling is non existent but we just scoot over to France for that.

My hot rod 109 and 101 are sitting in a container in Zurich and I expect them to clear Swiss customs this week. It took the better part of a year to sort out the AZ DMV because theere wa a cock up on the title. Between the inspection station and the DMV office I couldn't get two people together who had the same understanding of the state registration laws. Beware those rebuilding trucks with engine swaps - the paperwork can be a killer.

I gave my 88 to a friend and bought a 110 Td5 as a runabout until my real trucks get here.

Its a good life but man, try to buy a welder here for home use and they stare at you like your mad.

 

[blue bomber]

Is the 109 done yet?? Pics please !!!

 

[aka rover]

Is the 109 done yet?? Pics please !!!

Haha... funny!

Im still in the disassembly stages but will get pics as I go.
Ed

 

[repete]

I'm not trying to stop you from your chosen path but a Chevy six can be done quite neatly in a LR engine bay. That's a 292 but only the height changes over a 250. Like you, the original installation was pretty ropey.
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That must be the cleanest in line 6 conversion I've ever seen!