1990s MB truck owners. Looking for some details!!

VerMonsterRV

Gotta Be Nuts
Ok, so here is my thoughts after about 4 years of owning an 1988 1120AF that we self converted to a camper. We've been traveling full time with it for about 3 years. We did upgrade the leaf springs to parabolics, sound dedended the cab and installed air ride seats. I also upgraded the turbo but have yet increased fueling (it already gives more boost sooner so more fuel is injected earlier, so a bit more grunt going up the hills). We also added a Dometic rooftop AC. These changes really "civilized" this old firetruck. Are we fast, nope, but once you leave North America most places limit trucks to 80kph so it is not an issue. We still get a bit of wind noise at "higher" speeds and I will probably look into if there is a better way to seal the doors with a better gasket.

Are these trucks right for you? Well i think it all comes more to are you right for the truck. These trucks are all old and will require work. In my opinion the owner that would be the happiest is one that can work on the truck themselves and are planning travel outside of North America/Europe. I say this because finding shops, especially in North America can be difficult and costly. An example, our center differential was leaking oil around the shaft seal from the input shaft. Here in Argentina getting a shop to change this isn't difficult but I changed it myself in a campground. The official Mercedes part wasn't available here but a few stops around town I found a suitable aftermarket one at Repuestos Miguel for $4. An afternoon later and now our leak is fixed. I also recently gave the truck a couple of "spa" days in a truck shop where they addressed a few smaller issues that have been on my list that I've not gotten around to. They cheerfully worked on the truck and were able to supply a fuel pump gasket right from their own stock. These are very basic trucks and we carry most tools that I have needed to fix most things, and we carry spares as we are, at times in remote areas. OM366 based trucks (or OM352) are very common in South America.

Our intention with this truck is to take it around the world, shipping in a couple/three years to southern Africa, where we have heard these trucks are also common.

So for parts, so far I have been able to find everything we need. Maybe not as easy as going to the local Mercedes parts department (well I have never actually gotten that to work), but a combination of aftermarket using the MB part number, or looking at the actual specifications of the MB part and searching that way (the way I just found the shaft seal). I recently changed the rear shocks again (we seem to eat rear shocks like candy and I'm looking for some high quality ones), but I think one of the Scania semi tractors use ones that work. I saw one on the exhaust shop we were just in (one of the spa days, new muffler and flexible exhaust section to help with any vibration) and I did some quick measuring and I think they would work.

Knowing what I know now, the best truck would have been an 1124AF with the split gear 6 speed. Anyone we have met with the 1124 doesn't have an issue with power (ours could be bumped to the 240hp now with just an injection pump adjustment, I am just a bit chicken to have it opened up since the truck is running so well now). The split gear 6 speed is very rare but gives you an actual overdrive gear. Which would be wonderful to lower the revs a little at 80kph, to help with mileage, wear and tear and noise. If our transmission ever gives us serious problems I'll probably try and swap to a split gear.

So given that we are from the USA (25 year rule), intended to take this truck around the world, and I am pretty comfortable fixing most things I still thinks t we made a great choice. If we didn't have the 25 year rule I would have tried for something in the early 2000's to avoid complicated emissions as fuel quality is a real concern.
 

Geo.Lander

Well-known member
I have to jump in too, with only about 1500km under my belt and not complete camper yet. Take my free advice for what its worth ;)
  • Disagree about comfort, we have converted to parabolics, new shocks and large 358/65R22,5 tires (same as @Vermonster), and we have soundproofed the cab. Really a very comfortable place to be, and my daily driver is a Range Rover. Norwegian roads are horrible and our ride comfort is great in our opinion.
  • The MB parts seem to be available anywhere, rest of the world at least. You can get most service parts in agricultural and marine shops. A lot of generic parts too.
  • Take time to find one with decent gear ratios and/or fast axles. We are "just" OK in 6th at around 2000rpm (85-90kmh). We do not drive many highways anyway.
  • If you want to drive the rest of the world, esp Africa and further East, MB is the way to go for sure.
 

Victorian

Approved Vendor : Total Composites
If yer gonna buy one of these beasts, THAT one looks really nice. Ticks a lot of the truck and camper boxes. And, it has UNICAT in the mix. Looks like they built and mounted the box, another plus.

But to the OP, note the replacement springs, fore and aft.

This beauty was build when I was employed by Unicat. Hands down my all time faiv. Expo Truck. Everything seamed perfect on that one.
 

mog

Kodiak Buckaroo
Unless you go with something like a F550 and just deal with the longer cab.

I think you will find the biggest difference is not the longer cab/hood (especially with a 'short nose' C4500), but the wheelbase. My MB1017AF had a 144" wheelbase and my C4500 has a 194" wheelbase (> 4 feet). The shortest wheelbase for the C4500/5500 was 169" (singlcab), which is still over 2 feet longer than the MB. The turning radius is so much better with the MB.

note- the MB1017 has 3 rows of seating, the Kodiak only 2 rows
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While I loved my 1017, so friends asked me why I sold it. The pluses of the C4500 to me are:
Cruise speed > 70 mph
6% hills speed > 70 mph
Top speed > 90 mph
30 years newer
Easier service
Easier parts availability
Easier accessories/upgrades
Air Conditioning
Cruise control
Automatic (Allison)
4-wheel disc brakes with ABS
Power windows and locks
Power and heated mirrors
16-way air suspension seat
Greater leg room
Quieter
Smoother ride (by cab style)
22.5 wheel, great selection/availability of tires, lighter by 80 lbs per
2,540 lbs lighter
12 VDC
Same easy engine access with a tilting hood
Quick starting, warm-up, no smoke
GVWR that is more closely matched to the actual load
Lower Key (less attention)
Easier ingress/egress
Gas (consistency with other vehicles and toys hauled)

As always these apply to me, your experience may differ.

As to finding your dream Euro LKW I would suggest also 'searching' in North America (USA and Canada). While the selection is huge in Europe (I could spend hours on https://www.mobile.de/), you might get lucky and find one here.
I bought my MB1017AF 25 miles from my house. Of course, the seller had dealt with buying an unseen truck from Europe, dealing with shipping/importation, and transporting from the dock (Port Hueneme to southern Oregon). He had also removed all the fire equipment (a huge amount of work) and swapped over to super singles ($10,000), only to have his HOA declare that a giant red truck was not compatible with his neighborhood. I heard about it from a friend, so the broader you cast your net, the better.
Not only looking on forums, Expo, Mercedes, Unimog, etc but post WTB posts in as many forums as you can. Someone might know of a friend who has one, or has seen one parked someplace (with HOA notices on it :rolleyes: ). The guy who bought my 1017 had come down to buy a liftgate I was selling on Craigslist, and when we went into my backyard to look at my Manx, he saw the 1017 and was "what is that, and is it for sale". So with WTB postings, perhaps someone will know someone and you can get a good easy deal on your dream LKW.
 
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mog

Kodiak Buckaroo
Hey Mog,

What brand and model of transfer case does your truck have?

Also the specs on your front axle please.
Transfer case- New Venture Gear 273C divorced (1.00 / 2.72) electronic controlled with 6-bolt SAE PTO
Front axle - Dana 70HD (also called Super 70), High Pinion, 5.13, 8,000-lb, (10.5 ring,1550 U-joints, reverse cut), manual locking hubs, 34.5-mm stabilizer bar (ARB has lockers to fit)
.......not asked for, but as they are right in front of me.
Rear axle - Dana S110 (S14-110L), Full floating, Eaton G80 Locker, 5.13, 13,500-lb, (12.25 ring,) 44.5-mm stabilizer bar
Transmission - Allison 1000 five-speed close-ratio, electronically controlled overdrive (has 6 speeds, only 5 used from the factory, but 'convertible' to 6 with a double overdrive)
Steering - ZF Power, 53-degree turn angle, with an electrical hydraulic pump back-up for steering and brakes (in case of engine failure)
Brakes - Front & rear 15" disc brakes w/four-channel ABS, driveline E-brake
Engine - 8.1L Vortex V-8, (496cc) 340 hp 455 lb.-ft (upgradable to 525 hp, 585 lb-ft)
Approach / departure angles - 44.3° / 34.1°, (stock- 35.5°/18.9°) {for comparison - Jeep Gladator 40°/18°, Ford Raptor 30.2°/22.7°}
Breakover angle (β°) (@19" gc) - 22.2° (stock - 16.4°) {for comparison - Jeep Gladator 18.4°, Ford Raptor 19.5°}
Ground clearance - 14.4" (stock- 9.3") {for comparison - Jeep Gladiator 10.0", Ford Raptor 9.9"}
 
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VerMonsterRV

Gotta Be Nuts
I have to jump in too, with only about 1500km under my belt and not complete camper yet. Take my free advice for what its worth ;)
  • Disagree about comfort, we have converted to parabolics, new shocks and large 358/65R22,5 tires (same as @Vermonster), and we have soundproofed the cab. Really a very comfortable place to be, and my daily driver is a Range Rover. Norwegian roads are horrible and our ride comfort is great in our opinion.
  • The MB parts seem to be available anywhere, rest of the world at least. You can get most service parts in agricultural and marine shops. A lot of generic parts too.
  • Take time to find one with decent gear ratios and/or fast axles. We are "just" OK in 6th at around 2000rpm (85-90kmh). We do not drive many highways anyway.
  • If you want to drive the rest of the world, esp Africa and further East, MB is the way to go for sure.
One comment from what I am gathering moving around in South America. So far the local shops seem to be ok looking at our truck, the Mercedes dealers not so much. I have pondered that a bit and the only thing I can come up with is most 30 year old Mercedes trucks here are pretty beat up and not likely to go to a Mercedes dealer. More likely be cobbled back together with whatever parts they can get their hands on to keep the truck working. So where does this leave me? The local shops have both been good and once they realized I would be ok buying the needed parts they happily worked on our truck.
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
The great quote is, "Si hay, pero no tenemos."

Literally, "There is (or there are), but WE don't have it."

Important distinction, because it addresses the universal question of whether an item is available, at all, but is simply not available in a given shop or town.

(Sorry, too many years living in Latin America! ;))
 

VerMonsterRV

Gotta Be Nuts
In South America we learned " no ai!" or not here!. Our truck body had not been sold in SA, however our engine the OM366LA powered everything. Once you could show what you needed it was everywhere!
Oddly enough an LN2 derivative was sold here, including a 4x4 version at least in Brazil. A new friend of ours here owns a 1720A that he bought in Brazil and is building a camper with here in Argentina (hey Diego, if you see this post a picture of your very nice truck 🙂). These trucks have the same cab and engine but heavier axles. Since there are unfamiliar with our 1120, the trick is suggesting that our truck shares the same engine as the 1720, or mention it has the OM366.
I've also learned not to leave very quickly but to give them time to think about it. First time with our brake issue they told us no, then we can disable the front brakes and we drive 90km to get it fixed, to they had the part in their hand (not OEM) and fixed it in a couple of hours. Once they start looking at the mechanicals of the truck they see that's it looks familiar and are then happy to work on it.
 
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Geo.Lander

Well-known member
We still get a bit of wind noise at "higher" speeds and I will probably look into if there is a better way to seal the doors with a better gasket.

We just fitted new MB door gaskets, it made a massive difference, no more wind noise and more less noise. The doors are quite hard to close now but I am sure that gets better with time.
 

sprocket3

Adventurer
Thanks for all the great responses. I think i'm still on the fence with this given some of what you've all experienced. I got a quote to get one back from Germany, so that's also a factor in the cost.

Does it really cost $10,000 to switch to super singles? Anyone have a breakdown on that? Handmade rims or something? Shocking price
 

mog

Kodiak Buckaroo
Does it really cost $10,000 to switch to super singles? Anyone have a breakdown on that? Handmade rims or something? Shocking price
That was the number that the prior owner spent on converting as he bought new Hutchinson aluminum wheels ($1000+ each) and brand-new XZL tires ($1300 each). Along with 80 new wheel half bolts to get the clearance he needed. Add in shipping and labor for someone else building them up for him.
On the other end of the spectrum for spare tires (2) I bought used Aluimum Hutchinson wheels for $125 each (they have to be a specific model not any MRAP wheel works, see this post HERE for what works) and used XZL for $125 (+$125 shipping), so $375 per wheel/tire for spares.
 
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