1992 Pickup worth 6900?

[Clay]

I agree with the last sentence 100%!

As for the new/vs old complicated/vs simple, I have to disagree. The 22r carbed trucks, certainly, but the 22re is EFI, and has the same possible "complicated" things that newer motors have: electronic fuel delivery, ignition, etc... If the ECU goes out on either one, you are dead in the water. It has O2 and intake sensors same as new trucks. With a scan gauge, the new stuff is much easier to diagnose, rather than the "short the terminals and hope you have the codes written down somewhere" of the 22re.

Having worked on both the 22re, and the newer 3.4L extensively, the 22re is far more difficult to trouble shoot and work on than the newer stuff.

I love wrenching on stuff as much as the next guy, but I'd rather have a new truck out in the middle of nowhere than an old one. The primary reason is that the chances of something going wrong are MUCH less on the new truck, whether the old truck is easier to work on or not.

Just my opinion, of course.

I don't know! My engine is pretty easy to work on. If something does go wrong, I can have it fixed pretty quick. Now if your in the desert with a new vehicle and it breaks, what do you do?

I've seen 22re rigs go through deep water and not even stutter. Could a 2014 ford water up to the hood with no problems like that? How much electical BS is there exposed in the engine compartment.

 

[T.Low]

I just went through my 22re 100%, so I'm sure it's going to be good for quite some time as well, and now I know every nut and bolt on the engine. How many Tundra owners can say that?

Lucky for me, have a job where I work 6 weeks and then have 6 weeks off. I'm not ever in too big of a hurry. If I am, it's not a 4 wheeling trip, so I'll just hop in my daily driver and go.

Honestly, what kind if journey are you on if you cover more than a couple hundred miles a day? Why hurry? If you don't have time, maybe it's time to replan things. That or move closer to the things you want to do.

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One of the many cool things about living in Bellingham Wa is that it's half way between Alaska and Baja. I-5 down to the Mexican border at 55 mph? No way.

It's half way between Banff and Moab. 55mph all the way to Moab? No way.

Speaking of Moab, one of the most memorable points of the last trip actually happened on the interstate highway. I saw a Vanagon with a "Subagon" decal in the rear window, signifying that he has a Subaru engine conversion. I pulled up next to him at 85 mph. I could see by the look on his face he wanted to go , and I walked right away from him. That's a good time.

 

[AxleIke]

I don't know! My engine is pretty easy to work on. If something does go wrong, I can have it fixed pretty quick. Now if your in the desert with a new vehicle and it breaks, what do you do?

I've seen 22re rigs go through deep water and not even stutter. Could a 2014 ford water up to the hood with no problems like that? How much electical BS is there exposed in the engine compartment.

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I am glad you are satisfied with your vehicle.

It doesn't seem that we will convince one another of much and this thread is getting pretty off the original topic, so I won't drag it further off course. Apologies to the original poster.

Suffice it to say, if my new vehicle breaks in the desert, I would fix it. With my scan tool, probably faster than I could fix a 22re. It sounds like you would have a 22re fixed in no time flat and that is very impressive. I found rebuilding the 22re to be a pain compared to the newer V6's, but not as bad as the 3.0. I guess its just a matter of perspective.

Cheers! :beer:

 

[AxleIke]

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[Arktikos]

Why are old Toyota's worth so much?

In my mind, the value of an old Toyota should be that it's inexpensive, but very well made and likely to last until the wheels, frame or body falls off. I don't see paying big bucks for these, but I do see buying one for cheap and keeping it for a long time. There are lots of people in Alaska driving 80's and 90's Toyota pickups with varying degrees of cancer. You just don't see any other brand of this vintage holding up for as long as the Toyotas. Some Subarus, but that's about it. All the other makes have been junked already.

 

[Clutch]

I just went through my 22re 100%, so I'm sure it's going to be good for quite some time as well, and now I know every nut and bolt on the engine. How many Tundra owners can say that?

They are probably out enjoying the scenary than busting their knuckles... Ha ha!

Lucky for me, have a job where I work 6 weeks and then have 6 weeks off. I'm not ever in too big of a hurry. If I am, it's not a 4 wheeling trip, so I'll just hop in my daily driver and go.

Honestly, what kind if journey are you on if you cover more than a couple hundred miles a day? Why hurry? If you don't have time, maybe it's time to replan things. That or move closer to the things you want to do.

Sometimes there are more important things to attend to...than leisurely traveling about. I am self employed...and spent the last 8 years helping the girlfriend get her degrees. Long story short, she has been homeless twice in here life, do to things beyond her control...I want help her achieve her goals...so that means not being a lazy bastard, and not having a lot of free time plunk about. Vacations are short...a run down to Baja..or up to Colorado...or drive to Tahoe...or fly into British Columbia and rent a car for a mountain bike trip..1 or 2 weeks here and there. Too busy working otherwise helping my girlfriend out...obviously my life choices are different than yours and that is ok...I am fairly content with life right now..to think when I was younger, I used to work harder and longer than I do now...hell I barely got any sleep 20-25 years ago let alone take a vacation. 1-2 weeks vacay for me is a lot of free time! Ha!

Moving Idaho here in August, I'll have a bunch more free time...does that mean I'll go buy a slow 22RE overprice Toyo Pickup? probably not...can't decide whether or not to take the time and energy to restore an old F250 or keep it simple by turning the key and going, by purchasing a new Tundra. Can pick up a decent used Tundy for under $20K

I am keeping some investment property rentals...so I need to run back to Tucson from Boise once or twice a year to work on them...need something that hauls ******** down the highway with ease, while towing a trailer with dirt bikes, kayaks, mountain bikes, tools and camping gear....4 banger trucks are woefully inadequate for that. I have owned those been there done that...tell ya I don't want to go backwards.

 

[Clutch]

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One of the many cool things about living in Bellingham Wa is that it's half way between Alaska and Baja. I-5 down to the Mexican border at 55 mph? No way.

It's half way between Banff and Moab. 55mph all the way to Moab? No way.

Speaking of Moab, one of the most memorable points of the last trip actually happened on the interstate highway. I saw a Vanagon with a "Subagon" decal in the rear window, signifying that he has a Subaru engine conversion. I pulled up next to him at 85 mph. I could see by the look on his face he wanted to go , and I walked right away from him. That's a good time.

I thought about putting a Suby engine in my Westy...the rest of the vehicle is such a piece of crap in terms of capability, even when it was new, didn't seem worth it. And well, after much thought...it wasn't...just wouldn't fill the needs of an exploration gear hauler vehicle...so I sold it.

 

[Clay]

Just for the record, my truck can do 75 mph no problems.

Now, I have time and also come from the old school of four wheeling. Back when ALL 4x4's where under-powered. I spent the early 90's wheeling with a flat head 4 engine, so it's what I'm used to. Compared to the flat fender jeep the 22re is a race car.

Like I said before, to each his own. Buy what you feel good about, the price doesn't matter! What makes you happy does.

 

[Clutch]

Just for the record, my truck can do 75 mph no problems.

How much of a load?

I sold my '92 Pickup because it wouldn't pull a dirt bike trailer well enough on the highway. Or try throwing 4 mountain bikes on the roof, and pack the bed with camping gear...good luck getting that thing up to 75 without going downhill and having a tailwind.

Don't get me wrong I love those old Toyotas...just need a bit more oomph and bigger size for what I do now...into too many sports I guess.

Now, I have time and also come from the old school of four wheeling. Back when ALL 4x4's where under-powered. I spent the early 90's wheeling with a flat head 4 engine, so it's what I'm used to. Compared to the flat fender jeep the 22re is a race car.
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ALL old school 4X4's were underpowered??? uh?

I spent the early 80's wheeling big block Fords, and driving muscle cars...late 80's bought my first Toyota...a '85 4Runner...great little truck, however quite slow and underpowered coming off my F250.

Believe this the day I brought the 4Runner home...under $7K waaay back when...seems silly to pay that price now. Sure they are cool...are they $7 grand cool? I dunno...

 

[DaveInDenver]

Believe this the day I brought the 4Runner home...under $7K waaay back when...seems silly to pay that price now.

Welcome to inflation. My truck when the first owner got new in 1990 was $15,000 according to the window sticker and I paid him $5,500 for it in 2000 with just at 100,000 miles on the clock. Now it's worth roughly the same $5K (well, before it got dented in a traffic accident) with 261,000 miles on it not because it's anywhere as good as it was originally but because our money is worth less. Used to be you could buy a decent, running 4x4 of any type for about $1,000 but now that barely gets you a non-functioning parts rig. Used to cost me $1.50/gal to fill it back then and that's never going to be the case again.

 

[Clutch]

Welcome to inflation. My truck when the first owner got new in 1990 was $15,000 according to the window sticker and I paid him $5,500 for it in 2000 with just at 100,000 miles on the clock. Now it's worth roughly the same $5K (well, before it got dented in a traffic accident) with 261,000 miles on it not because it's anywhere as good as it was originally but because our money is worth less. Used to be you could buy a decent, running 4x4 of any type for about $1,000 but now that barely gets you a non-functioning parts rig.

I remember when burgers were a nickel! Well not really...but my point being...Yep everything goes up in price, just the way it is, unless you bought a house when the market was high...ha! *sigh*. Heck...I'll be lucky if we can keep it under $5000 for moving expenses to get from Arizona to Idaho, and that is with us doing all the work and driving.

You can get more truck for $7000 than what the OP is looking at. That does play a role...or add more value to some people. Need to put emotion aside, and look at it for what it is...[a tool] I know some people get all misty eyed over old Toyotas...yes they are charming, just don't think they are worth what the prices they are commanding.

Perhaps if you're flipping them as an investment...yeah I can see that...but as a tool for hauling gear, believe there are better options out there for the same amount of money. I am seeing 1st gen Tundras with V8's go around that price. If you can get over, looking at the Ford Sable dash, not a bad truck. Can get a deal on a regular cab...no body wants those anymore.

When I had my '92 RC Pickup, there were 3 of us that use to travel around to go mountain biking...drive to SoCal & NorCal, Colorado, Northern AZ, Utah, New Mexico, etc...had futon mattress in the bed for one of the guys...we used to pull straws to see who would ride back there, toss on the bikes on top of the camper shell, one guy and the gear in the bed, took a lot of trips in that little truck...it was flippin' miserable. Finally decided that was stupid...I need at least an extra cab and V6, now even that is too small.

A year ago, I almost pulled the trigger on an old 4Runner to relight that old flame I have for them...it was my "first" Toyota after-all....that was until I test drove it...all the memories of how crappy that vehicle was came flooding back in, gawd damn I forgot what an underpowered turd those things were....sure I could shoe horn a V8 in there...link the suspension, but why?

Now, I have time and also come from the old school of four wheeling. Back when ALL 4x4's where under-powered. I spent the early 90's wheeling with a flat head 4 engine, so it's what I'm used to. Compared to the flat fender jeep the 22re is a race car.

That reminds me..

Ever see this Side X Side vs a Willys?

They miss one thing, since everything is different depending on the state, you can make SXS's street legal in AZ, ID, etc...

 

[DaveInDenver]

You can get more truck for $7000 than what the OP is looking at. That does play a role...or add more value to some people. Need to put emotion aside, and look at it for what it is...[a tool] I know some people get all misty eyed over old Toyotas...yes they are charming, just don't think they are worth what the prices they are commanding.

I hate to keep rehashing the value is what someone's willing to spend card, but 14 years ago I could have paid less for a 10 year old base trim 4 banger Ranger or S10, too. At the time I recall paying something of a premium for a 22R-E XtraCab 4x4 since many were V6 SR5, which I did not want. I intended it to be around for a long time and specifically did not want power anything, ADD or an auto.

Toyotas then just as now hold their market value. I dunno all the reason, nostalgia, stubbornness, rainbow-pooping unicorn visions of longevity, I dunno. But for them to continue to hold their value there has to be more than a few knuckleheads out there.

The fact is there are fewer and fewer nice ones left and a disproportionate number of people who clearly can't (or won't) drop the coin on a new(er) Tacoma or whatever. Even though I agree with you substantially, a relatively low mile Tacoma, say a 2005ish with maybe 100,000 on the clock is going to be twice again what the O.P. was looking at, so in this way even $7K is a relatively bargain for a truck that albeit slow will be around when his yet to exist kids are ready to learn to drive. By then it's depreciated to farm truck or whatever, but chances are it'll still be running. Slowly.

 

[Clutch]

Toyotas then just as now hold their market value. I dunno all the reason, nostalgia, stubbornness, rainbow-pooping unicorn visions of longevity, I dunno. But for them to continue to hold their value there has to be more than a few knuckleheads out there.
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You darn near made me spit out my iced coffee with the "rainbow-pooping unicorn visions of longevity"...LOL

I hate to keep rehashing the value is what someone's willing to spend card

Ahh no worries, I am just BSing to BS...not trying to change the world here...hell, there are days I don't even agree with myself. I am an indecisive SOB.


It is like the air-cooled VW crowd...it is ridiculous what those are going for...remember when you could get a bug for $200-300!? Heck, I doubled my money on my Westy...didn't touch a thing on it, just let it sit for a couple years and appreciate. And the guy in Europe I sold it to, will probably double his money on it too...

The price for Westy Vanagons is insane, jump on GoWesty and look at prices...man those things were crap when they were brand new. Can get a nice 4WD 1 ton diesel truck and camper for those prices.

 

[All-Terrain]

The frames on these trucks are built to last, and few of them are moving full bed-loads worth of gravel or anything else of significant weight, so they WILL last a long time.

When you are shopping around for smaller Toyota pickup's, your options are these (the Hilux trucks), or the American Tacoma's. If you follow Tacoma's, you'll know about the very real corrosion issue with their frames. It happened on the first generation Tacoma's, and now people are seeing it on the second generation Tacoma's. If these Tacoma's have spent any real time in a state where there is much snow in the winter (and thus, salt/sand/mag chloride used on the roads), the Tacoma frames literally are rotting away due to poor anti-corrosion protection. There are photos posted all over the internet of these rotten frames.... outsourced American-built frames by Dana. I saw (and saved) a photo of a Tacoma up on a four-post lift at a dealership, where the back half of the truck literally snapped off and was hanging off the lift. I'll find the photo and post it.

So, if you're looking at a used Toyota pickup, especially if you live in a state where your truck will see snow + salt, what are your options? A Japanese-built Hilux truck with an overbuilt frame, or a Tacoma with an American-built frame that will start rotting immediately. Pretty easy choice, if you ask me. If you're buying a new one off the dealer lot, then that's a different story... but it's also significantly more money.

And... Tundra's are rusting too, at least the first gen ones.

And then of course, there's the emotional connection people have to the vehicles of their youth and so on. I personally love being able to work on my own cars at home, so I understand that attraction. Modern cars are very disconnected in terms of ownership and driving experience, in my opinion.

 

[All-Terrain]

To me, examples like the ones you will see in the following links completely de-value the Tacoma's, and potentially the early Tundra's too. This is not the kind of quality you expect and pay for with a Toyota. So that makes the early trucks that much more valuable, because the ones that came afterwards will potentially do this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxK3vFNyYxQ

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2nd-gen-tacomas/263311-frame-rust-recall.html

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2n...a-2nd-gen-terminal-frame-rot-rust-cancer.html

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/1s...ma-frame-rust-toyota-unethical-practices.html

http://www.tacomacorrosion.com/


Yes, there was a recall campaign by Toyota, and a new corrosion warranty program. But as many have reported, it has become very difficult to get your frame issues addressed with extensive documentation pro-actively BEFORE the corrosion becomes fatal.