ujoint
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I understand what you're saying. But the 40, 60 & 62 Land Cruisers had the shackle up front, which never helps ride quality. Have you driven a leaf sprung SD? They have the shackles where they "should" be. --
2005-2006 Ford 6.0s?
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I understand what you're saying. But the 40, 60 & 62 Land Cruisers had the shackle up front, which never helps ride quality. Have you driven a leaf sprung SD? They have the shackles where they "should" be. --
Railvan
Adventurer
I own an Ford '06 6.0 diesel 4x4 Sportsmobile and would NEVER buy another 6.0 Ford diesel.
Mine has had two turbos replaced, the first at 6,000 miles. I have had to stop at Ford dealers on a couple different long vacation trips to have them diagnose the check engine light, which loves to come on when you are far from home. To say the least, having the check engine light come on during a vacation does NOT help my mood to be relaxed... The first time the light came on the dealer said they thought it had something to do with the fuel tank, but didn't know what it was. This was actually the second dealer that I stopped at this day, as the first one asked my if I had an appointment and when I said no, I was on vacation and was traveling through town, he simply said they might get to it in a few days... I have had the check engine light come on in central Oregon and it was half a days drive to get to Burns, the nearest dealer. I wasn't planning on going to Burns either... The said it was again a turbo fault, but just cleared it and sent me on my way. They also said 3/4 of their business was trucks, and most of them were diesels. They said they had changed lots of turbos.
I have had several Ford service reps tell me that if I drove the van like a service vehicle, all day long every day, it would be better for the turbo. Seems that using it like an RV, which it is, by driving it long distances and then parking it for weeks, hurts the turbo. It gets rusty inside. Well, I can't imagine having a service rep on any other vehicle suggest that I change my life style to suit the vehicle. Like anyone would drive their van an hour a day because it was good for it???...
Both times the turbo "failed" on my van it was over boosting just slightly and it seemed to be running fine. But if I kept driving it and it actually failed, would Ford then cover it? I doubt it. Seems like Ford's fix for any trouble with a turbo is to just swap it out. That's OK, as long as they are paying for it, but it still pisses me off that I have had this much trouble and stress from a truck that has only 40,000 miles on it. Yeah, this is my $100,000 "get away" vehicle that I have serious doubts about taking anywhere far from a dealer. Go figure...
The drive train warranty is for 100,000 miles. Ford used to have an extended warranty you could buy that would cover another 100,000 miles, but they canceled that offer for any vans converted to 4x4, regardless of who did the conversion. Sportsmobile is a factory authorized Ford RV upfitter, but Ford will not sell an extended warranty to cover a 4x4 SMB.
I was driving across town tonight and the light came on again, so tomorrow I'll call the local Ford dealer and drop it off again. Just thought I'd vent a little tonight...
Brian Rutherford
Mine has had two turbos replaced, the first at 6,000 miles. I have had to stop at Ford dealers on a couple different long vacation trips to have them diagnose the check engine light, which loves to come on when you are far from home. To say the least, having the check engine light come on during a vacation does NOT help my mood to be relaxed... The first time the light came on the dealer said they thought it had something to do with the fuel tank, but didn't know what it was. This was actually the second dealer that I stopped at this day, as the first one asked my if I had an appointment and when I said no, I was on vacation and was traveling through town, he simply said they might get to it in a few days... I have had the check engine light come on in central Oregon and it was half a days drive to get to Burns, the nearest dealer. I wasn't planning on going to Burns either... The said it was again a turbo fault, but just cleared it and sent me on my way. They also said 3/4 of their business was trucks, and most of them were diesels. They said they had changed lots of turbos.
I have had several Ford service reps tell me that if I drove the van like a service vehicle, all day long every day, it would be better for the turbo. Seems that using it like an RV, which it is, by driving it long distances and then parking it for weeks, hurts the turbo. It gets rusty inside. Well, I can't imagine having a service rep on any other vehicle suggest that I change my life style to suit the vehicle. Like anyone would drive their van an hour a day because it was good for it???...
Both times the turbo "failed" on my van it was over boosting just slightly and it seemed to be running fine. But if I kept driving it and it actually failed, would Ford then cover it? I doubt it. Seems like Ford's fix for any trouble with a turbo is to just swap it out. That's OK, as long as they are paying for it, but it still pisses me off that I have had this much trouble and stress from a truck that has only 40,000 miles on it. Yeah, this is my $100,000 "get away" vehicle that I have serious doubts about taking anywhere far from a dealer. Go figure...
The drive train warranty is for 100,000 miles. Ford used to have an extended warranty you could buy that would cover another 100,000 miles, but they canceled that offer for any vans converted to 4x4, regardless of who did the conversion. Sportsmobile is a factory authorized Ford RV upfitter, but Ford will not sell an extended warranty to cover a 4x4 SMB.
I was driving across town tonight and the light came on again, so tomorrow I'll call the local Ford dealer and drop it off again. Just thought I'd vent a little tonight...
Brian Rutherford
Mike S
Sponsor - AutoHomeUSA
The 7.3L SD F350 that I own goes down the road pretty well. Not as good as my Expedition, or even my 80 LC. But it has power that the others don't, even though the 7.3L is low on the ration of power to displacement... it's an industrial engine. I expect some improvement with new Revos and some suspension tuning.
Ford dropped the 7.3L after it became apparent that they could not make this engine meet future fuel and emission requirements.
Ford dropped the 7.3L after it became apparent that they could not make this engine meet future fuel and emission requirements.
dieselcruiserhead
16 Years on ExPo. Whoa!!
I have the leaf spring Power stroke. I've also driven a lot of the coil springs lately, I don't particularly think there is much of a ride difference personally. Worlds of difference between leafs on the LC for example. I'm happy with the leafs personally...
24HOURSOFNEVADA
Expedition Leader
I agree with A- I just picked up a 7.3 Excursion. Leaf springs on these trucks don't compare with leaf springs on cruisers...Apples and oranges. I didn't/wouldn't consider a 6.0.
ujoint
Supporting Sponsor
That's crazy! What are they blaming the most recent failure on?
Railvan
Adventurer
They "blamed" me for not driving it enough... Seriously, nobody from Ford has ever said it was my fault the turbos have failed. But, I have been told again that I need to drive it 30 minutes a week after it gets warmed up. At least this time they didn't suggest driving it everyday... They said I should drive it to work once a week. When I told them a lived 3/4 of a mile from work and walk everyday, they just said "Ohhh..." I actually picked my neighborhood so I could walk to work: save money, good for the planet, etc. Now I need to drive my RV once a week whether I need to or not.
I was told again the problem is condensation and corrosion in the turbo. OK, if they know that happens, can't they design a fix? Or are we at the point where after years of Ford and Navistar pointing their fingers at each other, and suing each other over this issue, that nobody is gonna spend R&D money to fix this problem?
When the warranty runs out at 100,000 miles, I'll have to think long and hard about how much I want to pay every couple of years for a turbo to keep the van. And the money is only half the problem. If it fails this often, and more often than not while on long trips, is it worth the worrying to drive it???
I'd buy an aftermarket turbo (Banks, etc) with my own money to solve this problem. But as far as I know, none are available. Seems like a huge business op for somebody.
Brian Rutherford
I was told again the problem is condensation and corrosion in the turbo. OK, if they know that happens, can't they design a fix? Or are we at the point where after years of Ford and Navistar pointing their fingers at each other, and suing each other over this issue, that nobody is gonna spend R&D money to fix this problem?
When the warranty runs out at 100,000 miles, I'll have to think long and hard about how much I want to pay every couple of years for a turbo to keep the van. And the money is only half the problem. If it fails this often, and more often than not while on long trips, is it worth the worrying to drive it???
I'd buy an aftermarket turbo (Banks, etc) with my own money to solve this problem. But as far as I know, none are available. Seems like a huge business op for somebody.
Brian Rutherford
jrose609
Explorer
a guy here in Boise at Diesel Injection Service installs aftermarket turbos on the 6.0. One of my partners at work had one installed after his bit the big one. He also took off the emissions control stuff and catalytic converter. Installed an Edge Juice w/ attitude. His truck is a rocket ship.
The issue with 6.0's losing head gaskets comes from the EGR getting clogged and then overheating. It can heat to over 2500 deg F when the EGR gets clogged. An Edge w/ Attitude has a monitor to watch EGR and EGT temps. I installed one on mine.
The owner isn't the website type, but here it is. You could call him and ask him about turbos.
http://www.myserviceprofile.com/DieselCarsinBoiseID83716.htm
The issue with 6.0's losing head gaskets comes from the EGR getting clogged and then overheating. It can heat to over 2500 deg F when the EGR gets clogged. An Edge w/ Attitude has a monitor to watch EGR and EGT temps. I installed one on mine.
The owner isn't the website type, but here it is. You could call him and ask him about turbos.
http://www.myserviceprofile.com/DieselCarsinBoiseID83716.htm
Railvan
Adventurer
Welll, the new turbo (#3) is in... And I was headed out of town an hour ago in my SMB with T. Low and his wife in their Astro ahead of me on the freeway. Four days off and headed for the coast of BC!
And now here I sit at home typing this... A vibration in the drive train got so bad on the freeway that I pulled over before crossing the border into Canada. The bottom of the van is covered in oil... My guess is the vibration feels like a U joint going bad. But it appears Diehl Ford created an oil leak when they changed the turbo...
I'm too tired of this BS to even be mad right now... I'm just disgusted...
Brian Rutherford
And now here I sit at home typing this... A vibration in the drive train got so bad on the freeway that I pulled over before crossing the border into Canada. The bottom of the van is covered in oil... My guess is the vibration feels like a U joint going bad. But it appears Diehl Ford created an oil leak when they changed the turbo...
I'm too tired of this BS to even be mad right now... I'm just disgusted...
Brian Rutherford
UrbanCummin
Diesel Mechanic
I disagree, if the EGR was to plug up then if anything you would have a cooler running engine. That is the whole basis of a EGR delete kit, plug of the EGR and eliminate the cooler, lower you EGT's and increase top end hp. With a clogged EGR you will get a EGR flow insuffiecient engine code/check engine light. A leaking EGR cooler is a different story.
There are many causes of headgasket failure on 6.0's, a carboned up EGR is not one of them. (if the EGR valve it self gets carboned up it will often cause smoke and a poor running engine along with a lack of power complaint.) Unlike the 6.6 duramax the 6.0 has no turbo vane position sensor, the engine calculates vane position based on boost pressure, exhaust backpressure, engine load, speed, throttle postion and many other things. If you have a small boost leak the engine will try to compensate and ramp the vanes closed to make the boost. By the time it see's that something is wrong between the corelation (sp?) of all the sensor's it monitors it would have subjected that engine to very high exhaust backpressure, upwards of 80psi. That will take out your headgaskets and egr cooler, that is one of the main reasons for headgasket and egr cooler failure. Chips and anything that boosts hp/boost will have an effect on this, Ever wonder why some ford diesels seem to have an exhaust whistle when just idleing or off idle, the chip/tuner will close the turbo vanes to make the boost faster, thereby causeing the engine to have more exhaust backpressure.
Note: There are also a few years of 6.0 fords, 03-05 or so that do not use a exhaust backpressure sensor (the initial 03-04 did but the sensor was later ignored with a reflash), these trucks have much more issues then the ones that use an exhaust backpressure sensor as the pressure is an infered reading.
To hit 2500F on a pyro is insane, you would have to be running more fuel through there then any diesel truck I have ever heard of (plus a 6.0 cant fuel as hard as the other trucks, they are limited by the HEUI system). Any sustained run over 1250F you are asking for trouble, hell I can only spike mine to 1700 or so and I have a lot of fuel going in there.
Simply put the 03-04.25 6.0's are turds, the second generation got better and by late 05, early 06 they had the vast majority of bugs worked out, but they still have issues.
UrbanCummin
Diesel Mechanic
I would strongly recommend an EGR delete kit, should be about $450-$500 or so american, plus a few hours to install. BD Power, Industrial injection both make a nice 6.0 turbo.