2011 Wrangler rollout this summer

[TCM]

I wonder how the new bright white color will compare to the long running stone white color. I really, really hope it is not metallic or a blinding pure white. I am on my third stone white Jeep and was planning on a new white JK when the Pentastar engine becomes available. If I know Jeep it is exactly the same paint with a different name.

I want to like the new Sahara tan but somehow it is not working for me. Maybe if it were more satin/matt instead of high gloss.

Too bad the matching top is only available on Sahara models. Oh well a trip to the paint shop will fix that. The matching flares are step to far anyway.

And I know I am nit-picking here, but why the amoeba like interior. There are no edges to be found anywhere. It looks like a well used bar of soap. Not an improvement in my book, but of course others will love it.

 

[TOTJ]

Of all the changes I like the Tan color the best.

Correct me if Im wrong but at least here in California the new diesel trucks need to go into the dealer every 90 days to have some kind of additive refiled
to keep the engine from smelling like a diesel and if it runs out the
computer shuts the engine down.
So if you add up all the resons why not to buy a diesel for my personal use its getting large.
The extra cost of the Diesel option.
Fuel costing .30 to .50 cents more per gal.
Extra cost for Maint.
Easier to find gas here in the states then diesel.
All my friends that I travel with have gas engines in ther jeeps. I would be the only diesel.
With the new penstar engine low RPM torque should be close to diesel plus have higher RPM for sand or mud.
So why do I need a diesel?

 

[haven]

"the new diesel trucks need to go into the dealer every 90 days to have some kind of additive refiled"

You're referring to Diesel Emissions Fluid (DEF), a solution of urea and distilled water. Since 2008 in all states, many light duty diesels have used a selective catalytic converter and DEF injection to remove oxides of nitrogen.

The EPA requires the manufacturer warn the driver when the DEF level is getting low. If the DEF runs out, the vehicle electronics will keep you from starting the truck. The DEF is held in a separate tank that holds several gallons.

DEF is available at many truck stops and diesel truck parts stores. Price is between $3 and $5 a gallon.

The alternative approach to emissions control is exhaust gas recirculation (EGR). Many trucks don't run well and get poor mileage when EGR is used extensively, so manufacturers switched to DEF injection.

Here's an explanation about how DEF injection works
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/0...reviews-nox-reduction-solutions-for-2010.html

 

[jingram]

I too like the sahara tan, although a bit tough to see just how much gloss is present in the paint. I do think it is a bit short sighted to not offer the color matched hard top as an option on the rubicon. I want the sahara tan color on a rubicon with a color matched hard top straight from the factory. With the lack of pentastar this year though and no diesel on the horizon, not as intereseted anyway. I do think the interior is a big step up, although it remains to be seen if the quality of the interior plastics is up. The previous plastics would scratch when you sneezed on em!

 

[alosix]

Jeep has officially announced the changes to the Wrangler for 2011. Those changes include

inside
-- redesigned instrument panel

Need to see this, but I don't remember it being bad on my 07 rubi

-- updated armrests and center console

Sweet, They weren't bad by my dogs sure did a number on them in a very short period of time

-- steering wheel mounted audio, cruise and hands free phone controls

bla bla bla bla just more crap to break when the clock spring dies

-- media center accepts USB and bluetooth connections
-- more 12V accessory outlets
-- 110V AC power outlet (optional)

NICE

-- better silencing materials to reduce engine and road noise

Awesome More weight, less function

outside
-- heated power adjustable mirrors optional
-- larger rear windows

Heated mirrors would rock. My TJ has gotten frozen mirrors one too many times on a bad drive home from work.

-- new colors: Detonator Yellow, Deep Cherry Red, Sahara Tan, Cosmos Blue and Bright White (aka ExPo White).

top
-- Sahara models of Wrangler and Unlimited get body-color hardtop

The Chrysler press release is here
http://media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do;jsessionid=3B4E6AB0C8E630FDD7D3516DF77A96CE?&id=9875&mid=2


Prices for 2011 Wrangler models are going up about $900, not including destination charge.

Sport $22,795
Sahara $27,995
Rubicon $29,995
Unlimited Sport $26,295
Unlimited Sahara $30,695
Unlimited Rubicon $33,495

Ouch.. Ya know.. at some point the TJ Rubi's made a lot of sense to buy, you just couldn't build a locked Jeep on Dana 44s for less than what you paid. Now the current rubi premium seems a little much.

Jason

 

[TOTJ]

With out being crude. Is Urea Pee?

"the new diesel trucks need to go into the dealer every 90 days to have some kind of additive refiled"

You're referring to Diesel Emissions Fluid (DEF), a solution of urea and distilled water. Since 2008 in all states, many light duty diesels have used a selective catalytic converter and DEF injection to remove oxides of nitrogen.

The EPA requires the manufacturer warn the driver when the DEF level is getting low. If the DEF runs out, the vehicle electronics will keep you from starting the truck. The DEF is held in a separate tank that holds several gallons.

DEF is available at many truck stops and diesel truck parts stores. Price is between $3 and $5 a gallon.

The alternative approach to emissions control is exhaust gas recirculation (EGR). Many trucks don't run well and get poor mileage when EGR is used extensively, so manufacturers switched to DEF injection.

Here's an explanation about how DEF injection works
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/0...reviews-nox-reduction-solutions-for-2010.html

 

[JPK]

I had thought of waiting for the PentaStar, but when it became pretty clear this sprung that it wasn't coming I bought a 2010 JKU Rubicon and had AEV do their magic and instal a 5.7 VVT Hemi.

From all I have read and heard, I expect milage to be in the same league as a 3.8L version with similar lift, tires, etc re-geared to 5.13 or 5.38 provide decent performance... so long as I drive modestly, which might be trouble with the Hemi!

Got the Jeep today, and it has plenty of power. But best of all, it drives a hell of a lot better than my wife's '08 stock Rubicon. Handling is better, ride is a bit firmer, but only enough to take the slop out of the OEM handing. No highway gear hunting. Plenty of torque.

I had hoped it would have the highway manners of my 6.0L 2500 Suburban, and it does, plus some additional performance if wanted. Easy 70mph cruising with the engine loafing. Seems to run about the same RPMs as my Suburban too, about 2200rpm at 70mph or so. The Suburban has 3.73's with 265/75-16's the Jeep 4.88's with 37x12.5 -17's.

A slight flat spot in performance between maybe 3900rpm and 4200 or so rpm. When it hits 4200 better hold on... But hey, its a Jeep and won't see that kind of acceleration often.

This impression is from about 50 miles of driving, about 50/50 highway and around town.

On the 2011, I prefer the previous interior. Add a Mitsch phone/change holder to the center piece on the dash and it is fine.

Heated mirrors are actually useful, more 12v outlets too, and an inverter outlet as well, though you can get versions that plug into the 12v outlets. I can't imagine the 2011 versions are much better as far as wattage.

The 3.8L is adequate, but the Jeep will really benefit from the PentaStar I think. A diesel would be great, but I don't see that happening for awhile yet, three-four years.

I hope the new Jeep white is the same color as my 2010, I may snag a white top if so, to see how it looks and see if it might be cooler. Some report the inside temps getting hot with the black top.

Matching flares has always been one step too far imo.

JPK

 

[406to417]

Desert Sahara looks awful.I had drive a 99 TJ with Desert tan pearl in highschool.I got tired of hearing "Why is your Jeep the same color as @!#$?"

 

[haven]

"Is urea pee?"

Urea is a component of urine. However, DEF uses a chemically pure grade of urea and distilled water. Your naturally created urine has many other components. The truck will notice if you pee into the DEF tank (or so I'm told).

 

[TOTJ]

Ha Ha Ha, You were reading my mind.

"Is urea pee?"

Urea is a component of urine. However, DEF uses a chemically pure grade of urea and distilled water. Your naturally created urine has many other components. The truck will notice if you pee into the DEF tank (or so I'm told).

 

[TOTJ]

I have driven Brad Kilby's AEV Hemi Jeep alot and he had told me it gets like
8 or 9mpg. When I drove it I was not hammering the gas and when I checked I got 17mpg. Better then my 4.0 w/ 35's and 4:88. His has 40's
and 5:38. Even up grades it just loafed along. It goes to show you
that the way its driven makes a big diffrence

From all I have read and heard, I expect milage to be in the same league as a 3.8L version with similar lift, tires, etc re-geared to 5.13 or 5.38 provide decent performance... so long as I drive modestly, which might be trouble with the Hemi!


JPK

 

[dsy]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/19/2011-jeep-wrangler-revealed-production/

Some good pics of the 2011 wrangler. Looks sharp.

 

[ujoint]

I have driven Brad Kilby's AEV Hemi Jeep alot and he had told me it gets like
8 or 9mpg. When I drove it I was not hammering the gas and when I checked I got 17mpg. Better then my 4.0 w/ 35's and 4:88. His has 40's
and 5:38. Even up grades it just loafed along. It goes to show you
that the way its driven makes a big diffrence

Brad treats the go pedal like an on/off switch!!

 

[Desert Dan]

It is looking better all the time!

 

[jeepdreamer]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/19/2011-jeep-wrangler-revealed-production/

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Anyone else notice the odd little Jeep grille shaped thingy above the rear view mirror?? What IS that??