2015/2016 New 3rd gen Tacoma Debut in Detriot

[Wasatch]

@Doc_ Agree.

 

[SDDiver5]

To be the opposite of my usual optimistic self, I'm not holding my breath on the third gen.
What made the old-iron Toyotas I love great was the fact that the company itself resolved to sell a pickup that offered nothing anyone actually wanted but instead was everything we needed. Ever since the second-gen, Toyota has been trying to please the masses when they should be making a simple practical truck that just gets things done and is easy to work on.

There's something drastically wrong in the truck world these days, and I can't quite put my finger on it, but something is off. In today's money a work-ready truck like a W100 or a J20 rolled off the lot for like fifteen grand and offered an owner a lifetime of work. Now a basic truck is pushing into the $30,000 range and comes with all manner of silly electronics that will die ten minutes after the warranty expires, leaving the whole truck a useless hulk. We need to take our pickups back.

Blame the govt. They are the reason for crap like that. Soon it will be mandatory to have a backup camera, lane change warnings and auto pilot. I think this new taco will be pretty impressive.

 

[Doc_]

Blame the govt. They are the reason for crap like that. Soon it will be mandatory to have a backup camera, lane change warnings and auto pilot. I think this new taco will be pretty impressive.

I really blame us, the buying public. Yeah, there are some really dumb nanny state things at play here; but I think we've been too enchanted by shiny things, luxury-nonsense and a general loss of common sense that we're steering the automotive world into the realm of outright silliness.

 

[bkg]

I really blame us, the buying public. Yeah, there are some really dumb nanny state things at play here; but I think we've been too enchanted by shiny things, luxury-nonsense and a general loss of common sense that we're steering the automotive world into the realm of outright silliness.

Public is also not holding the MFG's accountable for building what the customer wants. Look at the "fan boys" of any product - can't have a logical, factual conversation about anything of which they are a fan - they ignore the faults and prefer their emotional attachment.

We own 4 Toyotas. The new Tundra is a POS compared to the competitors. I still have it and will be keeping it, but I'm not going get on the "Tundra > *" bandwagon.

 

[Dances with Wolves]

I agree Doc. In the US gimmicks and doodads sell vehicles these days. There is a current GM ad on tv that shows kids in the back of the vehicle using Onstar MIFI. Then they get in the back of a Toyota with no MIFI. Sad faces. I have this thing I carry called a cell phone that does the same thing. I find it amazing that GM builds vehicles that they know fall apart and hurt/kill people yet they focus on doodads to sell vehicles. Hey GM! Try focusing on building quality vehicles instead of shiny lures to hook guppies.

 

[Dalko43]

The engine on this thing just doesn't impress me.

Ford is putting turbo v6's into all manner of trucks (and performance cars) that gives amazing performance and pretty decent mpg.
Jeep is putting turbo diesels into its crossovers and Nissan and Dodge are doing the same for their trucks.

Toyota is putting a naturally aspirated gas engine with mediocre power/torque and mediocre mpg into its next generation light truck....just not impressed.

 

[bkg]

Good point. Buddies ecoboost averages about 19 in a truck that is nicer than the tundra..he just rode 200 miles in my tundra... And was not impressed. After doing 700 miles in his truck, I don't blame him

 

[moonshiner]

Public is also not holding the MFG's accountable for building what the customer wants. Look at the "fan boys" of any product - can't have a logical, factual conversation about anything of which they are a fan - they ignore the faults and prefer their emotional attachment.

We own 4 Toyotas. The new Tundra is a POS compared to the competitors. I still have it and will be keeping it, but I'm not going get on the "Tundra > *" bandwagon.

If your Tundra is a POS, why not get rid of it and get the Ford? Life's too short to drive something that you don't like.

 

[moonshiner]

The engine on this thing just doesn't impress me.

Ford is putting turbo v6's into all manner of trucks (and performance cars) that gives amazing performance and pretty decent mpg.
Jeep is putting turbo diesels into its crossovers and Nissan and Dodge are doing the same for their trucks.

Toyota is putting a naturally aspirated gas engine with mediocre power/torque and mediocre mpg into its next generation light truck....just not impressed.

Edmunds can't break 20 mpg on their long term F150 2.7L Ecoboost even when driving a mostly highway route and keeping speeds under 65mph. Not impressed for something that's rated for 23 mpg hwy and 20 mpg combined. Ford's Ecoboost are mainly boost and a little eco only. Looks like their next ecoboost in the new Raptor will also copy Toyota's D4-S system and employ both direct and port injection to solve their carbon buildup problem.
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2...rld-war-ii-bombsite-and-the-oregon-coast.html
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2...rd-f-150-v6-turbo-is-more-boost-than-eco.html

 

[bkg]

Buddies 3.5 does 19+ on average

 

[austintaco]

I wouldn't throw all of the bling out with the bathwater. Some items are probably viewed today like seatbelts were when they were optional. How many times have you heard the idiotic phrase, "I would rather be thrown clear of the vehicle" . I have seen many dead bodies thrown clear of the vehicle.
To me, some technology is good, and like seatbelts and ABS (which is still controversial) the tech will start off as optional and become standard. Rear view cameras? I'm adding one to my Tacoma when I put in my new head unit.

 

[Doc_]

I agree Doc. In the US gimmicks and doodads sell vehicles these days. There is a current GM ad on tv that shows kids in the back of the vehicle using Onstar MIFI. Then they get in the back of a Toyota with no MIFI. Sad faces. I have this thing I carry called a cell phone that does the same thing. I find it amazing that GM builds vehicles that they know fall apart and hurt/kill people yet they focus on doodads to sell vehicles. Hey GM! Try focusing on building quality vehicles instead of shiny lures to hook guppies.

That's ridiculous.
Having come to Toyotas from a hardcore GM background, I know for a fact that that MIFI doodad or the "AC system for cell phones" will be the toy that breaks and cripples the whole car. Luckily, rescue in the wilds will be possible because rescuers could follow the snail-trail of ATF.

I wouldn't throw all of the bling out with the bathwater. Some items are probably viewed today like seatbelts were when they were optional. How many times have you heard the idiotic phrase, "I would rather be thrown clear of the vehicle" . I have seen many dead bodies thrown clear of the vehicle.
To me, some technology is good, and like seatbelts and ABS (which is still controversial) the tech will start off as optional and become standard. Rear view cameras? I'm adding one to my Tacoma when I put in my new head unit.

Basic sensible safety features are certainly necessary, but there's a great deal of touch screen eight-speaker butt-massaging garbage at play that really has no business in a pickup

 

[Dalko43]

Edmunds can't break 20 mpg on their long term F150 2.7L Ecoboost even when driving a mostly highway route and keeping speeds under 65mph. Not impressed for something that's rated for 23 mpg hwy and 20 mpg combined. Ford's Ecoboost are mainly boost and a little eco only. Looks like their next ecoboost in the new Raptor will also copy Toyota's D4-S system and employ both direct and port injection to solve their carbon buildup problem.
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2...rld-war-ii-bombsite-and-the-oregon-coast.html
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2...rd-f-150-v6-turbo-is-more-boost-than-eco.html

Yeah, I'm not saying Ford's turbo engines are the end-all-be-all. I'm just saying that at least Ford is trying to innovate and make stuff somewhat more efficient...whereas Toyota is putting another naturally aspirated engine (albeit with smaller displacement and atkinson cycle), but still why no turbo or diesel? Both of those engine types generally provide better fuel economy for the torque they provide (and torque is what trucks like these really need more so than anything else).

Also, FYI Ford does offer a naturally aspirated 3.5L engine as well in the F-150 lineup, and both the 2.7L turbo and 3.5 turbo get about the same mpg as the naturally aspirated one.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=35922&id=35923&id=35924
The big difference is of course, the turbo engines, especially the 3.5L turbo, provides much better torque and pulling power than the naturally aspirated...if I can get better torque with little to no downgrade in mpg, I'll take that any day of the week...hopefully Toyota offers something like that in its next 4runner.

 

[toylandcruiser]

According to this site. Lots of people are averaging 12 in town and 16 ish on highway.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1045979-real-world-mpg-in-ecoboost-4x4-3.html

http://youtu.be/F4PJVWOiR4w
http://youtu.be/xWL321-lQM0
http://youtu.be/AwKKBAc5OPw
http://youtu.be/H-H5j79rMRc
http://youtu.be/lthUF8-vzuc
13.5 mpg avg?
http://youtu.be/x6awKr0iR54
http://youtu.be/0YmMEPZ_Sqg
http://youtu.be/SMz_CryFtU0
http://youtu.be/SuGkbsu7FZw
Hundreds of more videos to go


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[Dalko43]

According to this site. Lots of people are averaging 12 in town and 16 ish on highway.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1045979-real-world-mpg-in-ecoboost-4x4-3.html

http://youtu.be/F4PJVWOiR4w
http://youtu.be/xWL321-lQM0
http://youtu.be/AwKKBAc5OPw
http://youtu.be/H-H5j79rMRc
http://youtu.be/lthUF8-vzuc
13.5 mpg avg?
http://youtu.be/x6awKr0iR54
http://youtu.be/0YmMEPZ_Sqg
http://youtu.be/SMz_CryFtU0
http://youtu.be/SuGkbsu7FZw
Hundreds of more videos to go


The following is a signature.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

A lot of those videos you posted, had nothing to do with fuel economy, so I'm not sure how they are relevant. The EPA is usually fairly accurate when it comes to rating the mpg of modern day vehicles. To be off by 7-8mpg (if we're going to assume that real mpg avg is 13mpg) is a little hard for anyone to believe. Of course driving style has a lot to do with your mpg...I normally drive with a light foot and try to keep the ECO light on my dash, so I'll normally average 18-19mpg. Though on a few occasions, I've also gotten on average of 14 mpg when driving fast off the stoplight with lots of gear in the back....anyone can under perform a given vehicle's mpg; it all comes down to driving style.

Listen, to avoid any potential flame war on this issue, I'm not a Ford fan, I don't own any Ford vehicles. But Ford is making an attempt to innovate with its engines, whereas Toyota is insisting on using tried, but aged, technology. Turbo-charging, whether it be in a gas or diesel engine, is the way of the future, and while many truck makers have jumped on board, Toyota is still using naturally aspirated...just saying it would be nice if Toyota followed suit.