2017 Discovery drive..Land Rover is getting back to its old self again!

Soon (late May perhaps?) the all-new Discovery will be released. Working for Land Rover dealerships in Las Vegas and Reno, I was one of the lucky one that were able to go to Arizona for a day and a half of driving one on and off-road as well as some classroom time with the folks from corporate. The Discovery launch event was a lot shorter than any other I have been to since my start with the brand in 1999; basically straight off the airport shuttle to the vehicles (or classroom, depending on which group you were assigned).

My group was the lucky first one to be able to do the on and off-road drive with the Discovery and some competitors, on a picture perfect day. Without getting into the competition comparison, I can just tell you that they all drove well on the road, but the most noticeable differences was basically seating position, leg room, storage etc. Personal preferences to me, really. None really stood out in this regard to me. Only the Discoverys went off-road. We had the choice of gas or diesel (of which I preferred).

As a huge advocate for the brand, and noting that in the past 10 years or so, it was painfully obvious to me Land Rover has lost its way in regards to the off-road heritage that it had rightfully earned. All the evolving technological bells and whistles were always expected to be added, the rides got smoother and obviously the recent slew of vehicles were always capable, but store staff members went from khakis and shorts to slacks and ties, with little or no mention of the iconic brand's roots. Even in some models that had a two-speed transfer case as standard equipment, it had become optional. A new reality was here...or so I thought.

But enough of my ranting and raving. I am glad to report that Land Rover is back to these roots when it comes to the new Discovery. According to some of the legendary Land Rover Camel Trophy drivers and others that have been with the brand since it came to the US, the consensus is that it is the most capable off-road Land Rover yet. I am a believer! This was demonstrated to me when we scurried around the Arizona brush that day. I could tell that right away when I took advantage of a vehicle that I had expected to struggle with traction, clearance, and articulation but yet conquered everything in front of me. What a pleasant surprise!

I could spew all the number and specs on this vehicle, but until you drive one off-road yourself at your favorite off-road area, you will know that Land Rover is getting back to it's old self again. I will be getting the fist available diesel!
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harbinger808

Adventurer
Maybe you could answer why we can't get the Diesel in a 5 seater SE trim with Capability Package?... that's all I need if I were to upgrade from my current 12' LR4.
 

perkj

Explorer
How specifically is the new Discovery 5 more capable than the LR3?

Also how is it more back-to-its-roots than the LR3? The loss of the tail gate alone is enough for me to question that statement. Not to mention the rear seats are now a 60/40 split vs 33/33/33. And the 2 speed transfer is still an option like the later model LR4s. Seems to me LR is still blindfolded trying to find its way home.
 
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JackW

Explorer
I've got a 5 seat HSE with the diesel and the Capability package already on order - however I really wanted the Capability Plus Package which adds the rear locker and ATPC but Land Rover says you have to get the seven seat version for that.
I have a seven seat LR3 and in the four years I've owned I have never once used the third row seats. I don't need the third row seats or want them yet I can't get the rear locker because I only need a five seat version. I'm getting all of the towing packages that are available because I have utility, car and travel trailers I use regularly. It would be really nice to have the rear locker on those occasions when I am towing a trailer out of a wet field. I'm looking forward to getting my new Discovery 5 but I wish Land Rover wasn't so inflexible out their "packages" and would let me order the locking rear.
 

perkj

Explorer
I've got a 5 seat HSE with the diesel and the Capability package already on order - however I really wanted the Capability Plus Package which adds the rear locker and ATPC but Land Rover says you have to get the seven seat version for that.
I have a seven seat LR3 and in the four years I've owned I have never once used the third row seats. I don't need the third row seats or want them yet I can't get the rear locker because I only need a five seat version. I'm getting all of the towing packages that are available because I have utility, car and travel trailers I use regularly. It would be really nice to have the rear locker on those occasions when I am towing a trailer out of a wet field. I'm looking forward to getting my new Discovery 5 but I wish Land Rover wasn't so inflexible out their "packages" and would let me order the locking rear.

You should have just ordered the 7 seater...worth it to get locking diff. You can always swap out the additional 2 back seats and replace with the 5 seater deck and trim pieces. Exactly what I did with my LR3 as I preferred to have the additional storage space in the rear verses the additional seats...the swap was quite easy and can be put back at any time. Rear diff on the other hand can never be added (unless ARB decides to release one which I think will be doubtful or way way out in the future).

I'd change your order while you still can as you will absolutely regret not getting the rear locking diff.
 

JackW

Explorer
You should have just ordered the 7 seater...worth it to get locking diff. You can always swap out the additional 2 back seats and replace with the 5 seater deck and trim pieces. Exactly what I did with my LR3 as I preferred to have the additional storage space in the rear verses the additional seats...the swap was quite easy and can be put back at any time. Rear diff on the other hand can never be added (unless ARB decides to release one which I think will be doubtful or way way out in the future).

I'd change your order while you still can as you will absolutely regret not getting the rear locking diff.

I hadn't thought of that - how much were the pieces to convert the back deck?
 

rjl

Ryan
How specifically is the new Discovery 5 more capable than the LR3?

Also how is it more back-to-its-roots than the LR3? The loss of the tail gate alone is enough for me to question that statement. Not to mention the rear seats are now a 60/40 split vs 33/33/33. And the 2 speed transfer is still an option like the later model LR4s. Seems to me LR is still blindfolded trying to find its way home.

On paper, at least, the D5 has a higher wading depth and better breakover angle, approach, and departure angles than the LR4. It's also 1,000 pounds lighter and has 11 inches of clearance, compared to 9.4 for the LR4.

Doesn't change the fact that it looks like the same basic-********** blob that Land Rover has going for everything else.
 

perkj

Explorer
On paper, at least, the D5 has a higher wading depth and better breakover angle, approach, and departure angles than the LR4. It's also 1,000 pounds lighter and has 11 inches of clearance, compared to 9.4 for the LR4.

Doesn't change the fact that it looks like the same basic-********** blob that Land Rover has going for everything else.

1/2" of that clearance is purely from the increased tire size on the Discovery 5...it comes stock with 31s vs 30" on the LR3/4. So with equal tire sizes we are talking a 1.1" difference only. It would be interesting to know how large a tire could realistally fit the D5. We know 32s easily fit on a LR3/4 with 18" rims which gets it within 0.6" of the D5. It would be good to understand how much larger the D5 can go....which we know will be limited by it's larger brake discs that force the 19" rims


The weight savings is nice but there is something to be said with 1000 extra pounds when you're behind the wheel...gives me a warm safe feel that I'll destroy nearly anything I hit and keep me safe and sound ;)
 
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JackW

Explorer
I saw this drawing describing a proposed SVX version of the new Discovery with smaller brakes to allow for 18" wheels.
 

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LR Max

Local Oaf
Awesome!

I'd love to get one of these and put it through its paces. I love wheeling stock vehicles. However I don't think LRNA would care to lend me one nor am I famous enough.
 

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