2019 Ford Ranger Taking Orders

[Tex68w]

All of these complaints about the Ford Super Duty and 6.7's, I am left perplexed. I've had three 6.7L PowerStroke diesels totaling over 100K miles and I have never had a single issue out of any of the motors. In fact, the only issue I had with any of those trucks was the sun roof popping off track in the 2012 and it was replaced under warranty. Contrary to what others here in this thread have said, I have quite a few friends who have had major issues with their late model Chevrolet/GMC's and Dodge/Rams. I think these trucks are like anything else, the issues and experiences are skewed by those that have complaints and get on a soap box about it. Have a good experience and you maybe tell one person, but have a bad one and you tell everyone you know kind of thing.

I am now full time in my 6.4L Power Wagon and so far it has been in the shop four times in the first six months and 5800 miles of ownership. Granted nothing major (at least it didn't progress into nothing major), but it has been a very big annoyance and has weakened my confidence in the platform some. The issues have all been rectified with software updates and while I am optimistic that these small issues are isolated and simple growing pains in the grand scheme of things, I can't help but be a bit concerned and have the thought of failure in the back of my mind now.

So like I said previously, each guys experience is relative to their individual use and honestly random luck. At the end of the day these are man made machines and will certainly at some point have issues arise, I think what we are all after is the pursuit of one make having less of these issues than the others. For myself I hope that for now the 6.4L treats me well and more importantly the transmission attached to it.

 

[Clutch]

Is the new Ranger getting the 6.7???

 

[DaveInDenver]

Is the new Ranger getting the 6.7???

So, wait, you are scolding someone for thread drift? Now I've seen everything.

 

[Clutch]

So, wait, you are scolding someone for thread drift? Now I've seen everything.

Ha ha! Was hoping someone would see the irony in that....and right quick too!

 

[Tex68w]

Is the new Ranger getting the 6.7???

No, but it's relevant when others have mentioned it in the thread.

So, wait, you are scolding someone for thread drift? Now I've seen everything.

It's not thread drift when it's already being discussed in other replies within this post.

 

[Tex68w]

Oh, and for the sake of the main topic and "staying on track" I'll say that while I hope that the new Ranger is a game changer within it's class, I don't expect it to make any huge waves. If we even get the Raptor Ranger on our shores I expect it to eclipse the $50K mark and that's just silly for a compact pickup that has a worthless backseat for an adult.

 

[jadmt]

I hope they have an answer for the ZR2 and not the ultra expensive baby raptor.

 

[Dalko43]

Oh, and for the sake of the main topic and "staying on track" I'll say that while I hope that the new Ranger is a game changer within it's class, I don't expect it to make any huge waves. If we even get the Raptor Ranger on our shores I expect it to eclipse the $50K mark and that's just silly for a compact pickup that has a worthless backseat for an adult.

People predicted the same thing for the Colorado. Last time I checked, its sales were doing very well, much better than most analysts anticipated. Annual sales #'s went from ~4k in 2013 to just short of 150k over the last two years. Tacoma outsells them by another 50k per year, but still that's a very impressive sales record.

Midsized trucks are picking up market momentum, and will continue to do so when the market turns and all the truck bro's financing their 1/2 ton's and 3/4 ton's realize they need to downsize.

The Ranger Raptor will hit North American shores. Ford is playing hard to get on that because they want to build up the anticipation. I hope that they don't neuter the payload and towing all in the name of Baja/desert racing performance like they did the with the F-150 Raptor. In fact, I'd much rather see them bring a HD version of the Ranger, similar to what they offer overseas. Lots of media groups and people get caught up in the Raptor craze, but that design mentality is only marginally useful for working and offroad duties.

 

[Tex68w]

I agree in regards to the decreased payload and towing capacity with the Raptor platform. I had a Gen 1 and my father currently has a Gen 2, he picked up his new 5500lb camper last week and it made the rear sag so badly that it was borderline questionable as to whether or not he should have even towed it home with that extreme of a tongue angle. Now he waits for someone to come out with an air bag option for the 2017+ Raptor and must tow the trailer with their GX460 which isn't ideal.

I hope that the Ranger does well and I hope that I like the new Bronco as well, but I wasn't impressed with the Colorado aside from the ZR2 package and the diesel and I doubt I will be wowed by the Ranger either. The Colorado has a cheap and plasticy interior with an awful layout lacking any usable storage and the back seats of both the Tacoma and Colorado/Canyon are a joke and not useable for anyone over the age of 10 unless they are an Oompa Loompa.

 

[Dalko43]

I hope that the Ranger does well and I hope that I like the new Bronco as well, but I wasn't impressed with the Colorado aside from the ZR2 package and the diesel and I doubt I will be wowed by the Ranger either. The Colorado has a cheap and plasticy interior with an awful layout lacking any usable storage and the back seats of both the Tacoma and Colorado/Canyon are a joke and not useable for anyone over the age of 10 unless they are an Oompa Loompa.

I don't think my 4runner's interior is all that much better by comparison. Seats are not the best (I think the post 2014 4runners got optional leather seats), and many of the interior materials feel cheap. But everything holds together as I'm sure it does for the Colorado. I care less about how the interior looks and feels and more that it actually holds up to hard use. I'm of the mindset that seats and interior just need to be "good enough" in a utilitarian pickup or SUV. Asking for too much fancy stuff in a truck is what led to +$70k 3/4 ton's, which is financial insanity IMHO.

Tiny rear seats are an issue for most midsized SUV's. Smaller vehicles are more efficient and nimble, but that comes with a tradeoff.

 

[Jc1986.carter]

The sad fact about payload and wanting a HD version of any midsize truck state side is that the manufactures won’t do it because they don’t want a smaller truck taking market shares away from their full sized cash cows.

The ROW rangers are power houses because they don’t have f150s in most of the countries, South Africa and Australia in particular, so they have to have the payload, towing, etc... The North American crowd in general does not hold payload in high regard when they shop, they are after a car-like ride and a space to carry their weekend toys. The same could be said about the motorcycle industry here as well. The old adage, no replacement for displacement, still holds true for most consumers. The displacement in this example could be the size of the vehicle or the cabin space, definitely not the motor. We want the biggest, baddest thing money can finance for 72 months.

 

[Buliwyf]

I agree in regards to the decreased payload and towing capacity with the Raptor platform. I had a Gen 1 and my father currently has a Gen 2, he picked up his new 5500lb camper last week and it made the rear sag so badly that it was borderline questionable as to whether or not he should have even towed it home with that extreme of a tongue angle. Now he waits for someone to come out with an air bag option for the 2017+ Raptor and must tow the trailer with their GX460 which isn't ideal.

I hope that the Ranger does well and I hope that I like the new Bronco as well, but I wasn't impressed with the Colorado aside from the ZR2 package and the diesel and I doubt I will be wowed by the Ranger either. The Colorado has a cheap and plasticy interior with an awful layout lacking any usable storage and the back seats of both the Tacoma and Colorado/Canyon are a joke and not useable for anyone over the age of 10 unless they are an Oompa Loompa.

Just put F150 springs on the Raptor. I'll bet any F150 airspring setup should be adaptable.

Or these:
https://www.supersprings.com/shop/ssr-116-47/

 

[Dalko43]

The sad fact about payload and wanting a HD version of any midsize truck state side is that the manufactures won’t do it because they don’t want a smaller truck taking market shares away from their full sized cash cows.

The ROW rangers are power houses because they don’t have f150s in most of the countries, South Africa and Australia in particular, so they have to have the payload, towing, etc... The North American crowd in general does not hold payload in high regard when they shop, they are after a car-like ride and a space to carry their weekend toys. The same could be said about the motorcycle industry here as well. The old adage, no replacement for displacement, still holds true for most consumers. The displacement in this example could be the size of the vehicle or the cabin space, definitely not the motor. We want the biggest, baddest thing money can finance for 72 months.

I'm pretty sure that Ford sells F-150's in both South Africa and Australia. I don't think they sell all that well compared to the Ranger, Toyota's and Nissan's, likely because they don't have same reputation as the other vehicles. Also, they're only offered with gasoline engines, and diesel is still heavily favored in those areas. In fact Ford and FCA offer their 3/4 ton's in some of those areas as well.

I think plenty of people want better-built, longer lasting midsized trucks. That's largely the reason the Tacoma has sold so well, despite so few changes to it over the years. It's not at all hard to start with an overbuilt chassis, and then pare the payload capabilities up or down based on the individual owner's needs/wants. In fact, Ford does that very thing with the F-150 and the different payload packages (some of which are encroaching into 3/4 ton territory). Sales cannibalism will not be an issue.

 

[Jc1986.carter]

I'm pretty sure that Ford sells F-150's in both South Africa and Australia. I don't think they sell all that well compared to the Ranger, Toyota's and Nissan's, likely because they don't have same reputation as the other vehicles. Also, they're only offered with gasoline engines, and diesel is still heavily favored in those areas. In fact Ford and FCA offer their 3/4 ton's in some of those areas as well.

I think plenty of people want better-built, longer lasting midsized trucks. That's largely the reason the Tacoma has sold so well, despite so few changes to it over the years. It's not at all hard to start with an overbuilt chassis, and then pare the payload capabilities up or down based on the individual owner's needs/wants. In fact, Ford does that very thing with the F-150 and the different payload packages (some of which are encroaching into 3/4 ton territory). Sales cannibalism will not be an issue.

Ford South Africa, no f150 https://www.ford.co.za/vehicles/

Ford Australia, no f150
https://www.ford.com.au/vehicles/

The only motors they have for the Ranger, not Ranger raptor, are diesel in Australia and South Africa. I used Aus and s. Africa as the primary examples because ford built the Ranger specifically for these two regions. As a matter of fact ford built these version of the Ranger first in S. Africa. Watch their press release and their testing, it’s a very impressive vehicle.

Another reason the mid-size are so popular over seas is due to a lot of countries have much more strict weight requirements on their road. We don’t have that issue in most places in North America.

The mid-size/full-size markets have been blurring lines over the past ten years. When pricing comes into question most consumer will take the larger option over the smaller one. Especially when fuel consumption are nearly equal.

 

[Tex68w]

Another reason the mid-size are so popular over seas is due to a lot of countries have much more strict weight requirements on their road. We don’t have that issue in most places in North America.

The mid-size/full-size markets have been blurring lines over the past ten years. When pricing comes into question most consumer will take the larger option over the smaller one. Especially when fuel consumption are nearly equal.

This pretty much nails it IMHO. The $45K price tag of a nicely equipped midsize is what pushes the majority of people into a larger 1/2-ton at the same price point that tows more, has more room, more power, and gets the same and sometimes even better fuel efficiency.