Realize that LR is competing at a much lower price point than a Ferrari. Potential buyers are sub-$100K and in reality the volume is sub-$65K. As already highlighted in this thread the competition is Jeep and the upcoming Bronco. For the emerging D5 segment it is what was the VW Touareg and somewhere in the Porsche Macan/Cayenne area. I'm guessing as the D5 direction hasn't fully emerged. Remember, "new" D5 owners think it is a great vehicle. The challenge for LR is to increase those new customers while the "old" customers migrate to the Luxury Defender. I am being serious when my wife sat in the D5 and said it was really no different than a KIA. That was a design choice by LR.
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Realize that LR is competing at a much lower price point than a Ferrari. Potential buyers are sub-$100K and in reality the volume is sub-$65K. As already highlighted in this thread the competition is Jeep and the upcoming Bronco. For the emerging D5 segment it is what was the VW Touareg and somewhere in the Porsche Macan/Cayenne area. I'm guessing as the D5 direction hasn't fully emerged. Remember, "new" D5 owners think it is a great vehicle. The challenge for LR is to increase those new customers while the "old" customers migrate to the Luxury Defender. I am being serious when my wife sat in the D5 and said it was really no different than a KIA. That was a design choice by LR.
Blaise
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Seriously man, do you just make stuff up?
It was/is a JAGUAR v8. Not in ANY way related to the 4.6 used in the crown vic.
Maybe we should lock this thread. This is ridiculous.
I also mentioned KIA and double decker busses to get some breadth into the comparison. The argument was that because cpus and computer displays (that's the only tech cared about, apparently) are everywhere, everything is the same. There is no difference. Hence me mentioning expensive sports cars, modern double decker busses and KIAs. And also the reason why I mentioned that tech (not solely CPUs) actually has a purpose.
2 years! That would be awesome! I'll start saving now
Me too! Hell of a bargain if that was anywhere near close to reality. Hell, I could buy a couple extra and use them solely for spare parts.
naks
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Absolute hogwash!
The best engine ever fitted to the Defender was the BMW 2.8i, although only available in South Africa.
Most of them are still running around, and fetch ridiculous prices.
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You think it will be 9 years before the iPhone 13? You realise Apple is already on number 11. You think it will last 4.5 years before they release the next model, and then another 4.5 years before the next one after that?If you think it’s not gonna be real, go check 9 year old Land Rover prices compared to when they sold new
80 to 90% drop
Start saving it’s gonna happen.
But then again who wants a fake vehicle ??
Oh, and Btw, I can't find a 9 year old Defender that has lost 80 (or as you first proclaimed) 90 percent of its original value. If it's that easy, post a few links to that 90 % value drop.
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RedRover is probably referring to old Discovery push-rod engine, not the LR3/LR4. Here is an interesting look at the engines used in production for the most years. The Disco push-rod beast was used for 37 years, but is not even close to the winner!
The world's longest-living car engines | Autocar
Tried and trusted engines can survive in production for decades – often far longer than the cars in which they’re fitted. These are the longest survivors
Here is some "tech" - LR is working on "remote control" for the Defender
2020 Land Rover Defender To Get A Remote Control Function For Off-Roading | Carscoops
Think of the new Defender's system as the off-road version of Tesla's 'Summon' tech or BMW's remote parking capability
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Somehow I missed this part:
So now it's a "fake vehicle"? How the hell is this a "fake vehicle"? How is this not a vehicle? Sheesh!
So now it's a "fake vehicle"? How the hell is this a "fake vehicle"? How is this not a vehicle? Sheesh!
RedRover is probably referring to old Discovery push-rod engine, not the LR3/LR4. Here is an interesting look at the engines used in production for the most years. The Disco push-rod beast was used for 37 years, but is not even close to the winner!
The world's longest-living car engines | Autocar
Tried and trusted engines can survive in production for decades – often far longer than the cars in which they’re fitted. These are the longest survivorswww.autocar.co.uk
Here is some "tech" - LR is working on "remote control" for the Defender
2020 Land Rover Defender To Get A Remote Control Function For Off-Roading | Carscoops
Think of the new Defender's system as the off-road version of Tesla's 'Summon' tech or BMW's remote parking capability
Hehe, although not likely to actually happen, I have often thought about how to best approach winching yourself (solo) out of something. A remote control winch can obviously work, but sometimes, it is better to have a spotter. And if you're solo, you're the only one to do that job, but you can't drive at the same time. I tend to go in and out the car quite often when I do it myself.
I'm not sure I'd opt for this, even if available, though. It will probably be ridiculously expensive and only useful (to me) when I'm alone and in very specific circumstances.
Still isn't 9 year old Defenders for a tenth of the original price as claimed by RedRover. And that is after he first claimed it would be a tenth when the iPhone 13 comes out - which will be way before 9 years - more like two years, since the iPhone 11 is out and the 12 is slated to come out in 2020.
And somehow he also claim that the Defender is a "fake vehicle".
I am still waiting for him to link to 9 year old Defenders (but actually Defenders only 2 or 3 years according to his first claim) that sell at a tenth of the original price.
And somehow he also claim that the Defender is a "fake vehicle".
I am still waiting for him to link to 9 year old Defenders (but actually Defenders only 2 or 3 years according to his first claim) that sell at a tenth of the original price.
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