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[Deleted member 9101]

Ford also specs a 2% reduction in GVW & GCW per 1,000' elevation. At 8,500' that's 16-18%, or nearly a 3,000 lb reduction in rated GCW on a max-tow truck. At the highest elevations out west, you're looking at a capacity reduction of 20%+. Ford provides a lot of information in their towing guides, but they also make it difficult to determine precisely how much any given truck is rated to tow because they have so many different towing package configurations. I haven't dug into a GM or Ram towing guide to see if they also specify derating the GVW & GCW at elevation, but it makes me question what tricks every manufacturer is using to rate their half-ton truck towing capacity as they constantly try to one-up one another.

That's what frustrates me about Ford... They really make you dig to get specific info. Trying to get info on the 4 kind of frames they use on the F150 is equally as cryptic.

 

[Grassland]

This makes me want to stay on stock size tires and not have turbos.
But where is the fun in that?

 

[Deleted member 9101]

This makes me want to stay on stock size tires and not have turbos.
But where is the fun in that?

After having a modified Ecoboost.... A N/A powered truck is disappointment...haha.

 

[jbaucom]

This makes me want to stay on stock size tires and not have turbos.
But where is the fun in that?

5.0 life ain't so bad! The 5.0/10 speed combo with 3.73 gears should still be pretty terrific with 34-35" tires, and it has none of the benefits or drawbacks of the Ecoboosts. Of course, the 5.0 may have it's own downsides, but it sounds great with an exhaust!

 

[Grassland]

One dealership has a Supercab XLT with 2.7 and PP. But it has 301a and some other knick knacks I don't want. 53K ?
I don't need a super duty with the new trailer, but the 3.7 NA on oversized tires, stock gears, and no select shift isn't cutting the mustard in the wind, so imagine it won't do well on the mountains either.
Outside of all the new model headaches I'm reading on the F150 forum (mostly electronic nannies and other electronic issues)
I was hoping the EcoBoost would be figured out by now a decade later.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

5.0 life ain't so bad! The 5.0/10 speed combo with 3.73 gears should still be pretty terrific with 34-35" tires, and it has none of the benefits or drawbacks of the Ecoboosts. Of course, the 5.0 may have it's own downsides, but it sounds great with an exhaust!

The 5.slow is a good motor... Buuut the newer ones have a nasty habit of drinking oil ("printed" cylinder walls).

 

[Deleted member 9101]

One dealership has a Supercab XLT with 2.7 and PP. But it has 301a and some other knick knacks I don't want. 53K ?
I don't need a super duty with the new trailer, but the 3.7 NA on oversized tires, stock gears, and no select shift isn't cutting the mustard in the wind, so imagine it won't do well on the mountains either.
Outside of all the new model headaches I'm reading on the F150 forum (mostly electronic nannies and other electronic issues)
I was hoping the EcoBoost would be figured out by now a decade later.

You have to realize that Ford sells damn near a million F150s a year... Lol. The vast majority are happily going down the road problem free. Owners with problems are the most vocal and many either deal with the issue wrong or they go to a dealership with idiots in the shop.

You'll love the 2.7. We just got in a 2020 N/A V6 at my office... Totally gutless wonder compared to a 2.7...lol.

My dad's Navigator has the 3.5 and he's probably around 150k with 1/2 of that towing a travel trailer. Other than a bad coil and basic maintenance he never had to touch it.

 

[Herbie]

Don't forget to join mustang club of america for 25 bucks and get x plan pricing, saves you 2-4 k.

I'm glad there are discounts out there, but this kind of thing drives me crazy. As someone who is dabbling with my first truck purchase (after having owned close to two dozen vehicles both new and used), trying to do an apples to apples price comparison (or even moderately accurate ballpark pricing) is basically impossible.

There may be folks out there who get off on the whole hunt for finding the best deal, but as an engineer who just wants to shop on specs and fix a price to a project, I find the voodoo behind truck pricing to be a major turn off.

 

[skrypj]

One dealership has a Supercab XLT with 2.7 and PP. But it has 301a and some other knick knacks I don't want. 53K
I don't need a super duty with the new trailer, but the 3.7 NA on oversized tires, stock gears, and no select shift isn't cutting the mustard in the wind, so imagine it won't do well on the mountains either.
Outside of all the new model headaches I'm reading on the F150 forum (mostly electronic nannies and other electronic issues)
I was hoping the EcoBoost would be figured out by now a decade later.

I wouldnt worry about the 2.7L. Its a very solid motor. Probably the most solid motor in the F150 lineup aside from maybe the 3.3L(and thats just a guess, i know nothing about the 3.3).

The only major issue i have heard of with the 2.7 was leaking oil pans and I think they may have resolved that on the 2018+ “2nd gen”

 

[Grassland]

I wouldnt worry about the 2.7L. Its a very solid motor. Probably the most solid motor in the F150 lineup aside from maybe the 3.3L(and thats just a guess, i know nothing about the 3.3).

The only major issue i have heard of with the 2.7 was leaking oil pans and I think they may have resolved that on the 2018+ “2nd gen”

I'd hazard a guess the 3.3 is slightly less reliable than the 3.7 it replaced because of direct injection, but should otherwise be solid. Honestly with the 10 speed behind it now, and select shift, it will probably do what I need, but just barely.

 

[skrypj]

I'd hazard a guess the 3.3 is slightly less reliable than the 3.7 it replaced because of direct injection, but should otherwise be solid. Honestly with the 10 speed behind it now, and select shift, it will probably do what I need, but just barely.

The 10 speed is a game changer, especially for NA motors. I have been towing my trailer with my Lexus GX460 and it will do it, but there are times where you are in a dead zone in the 6 speed. You are either at 3500 rpm not able to hold speed, or 5700 rpm about to bounce off the rev limiter. So even though the engine could produce the needed power, the transmission keeps it from doing it.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

I wouldnt worry about the 2.7L. Its a very solid motor. Probably the most solid motor in the F150 lineup aside from maybe the 3.3L(and thats just a guess, i know nothing about the 3.3).

The only major issue i have heard of with the 2.7 was leaking oil pans and I think they may have resolved that on the 2018+ “2nd gen”

They fixed the oil pan leakes mid 2017. It was a adhesive application error at the factory.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

I'd hazard a guess the 3.3 is slightly less reliable than the 3.7 it replaced because of direct injection, but should otherwise be solid. Honestly with the 10 speed behind it now, and select shift, it will probably do what I need, but just barely.

I've driven the 3.3.... trust me when I say the 2.7 is worth the extra money. It does everything better with zero compromises.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

I had Brew City Boost tunes and they apparently don't know how to tune around altitude(my living room is at 6500') because my truck would try and close the waste gates at 4200 rpm and up with their tune. Luckily my wastegates were getting blown open by the exhaust pressure so the turbos didnt overspin, but the wastegate duty cycle would sit at 100% from 4200rpm to redline. This was on their MacGyver tune which is supposed to be the tow safe tune. It was bad enough that it threw a CEL for underboost at WOT. When I sent them a log they "fixed it" but all it did was make it so the CEL didnt come on while still hitting 100% WGDC. I also have tunes from 5Star, Unleashed and Gearhead and no one elses tunes do that. They all cut boost when the turbos approach their flow limits like they should.

I am pretty sure the the 5Star tunes had lifted the exhaust temperature limits which resulted in my warping of not only a stock manifold but also CRP Full-Bore manifold that I replaced it with. I was one of the first people to warp a CRP manifold, but now we are seeing 3-4 guys on the forum with warped CRP's because of how piss poor the OEM manifold design was.

I am now on my own custom tune via HPTuners that leaves all the OEM safeties in place. All I have done is raised the ignition timing limits to allow for some more timing advance hoping this would lower my boost and fuel and reduce heat a bit. I am planning on running Boostane with 91 octane fuel to get it up to 94 octane any time I tow from now on. That way I get as much timing advance as I can get. My radiator fans are set to come on at 10* below stock to match the 180F Tstat.

What about deleting the oil - water cooler and going with an external oil cooler? That would free up cooling capacity in your engine so it can absorb the excess heat as you pull a long grade.

F-150 EcoBoost Oil Cooler Installation Guide • Full Race

F-150 EcoBoost Oil Cooler Installation Guide Start by bolting the lower mounting beam to the front bumper support, then bolt the oil cooler to the front

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[Deleted member 9101]

I'm glad there are discounts out there, but this kind of thing drives me crazy. As someone who is dabbling with my first truck purchase (after having owned close to two dozen vehicles both new and used), trying to do an apples to apples price comparison (or even moderately accurate ballpark pricing) is basically impossible.

There may be folks out there who get off on the whole hunt for finding the best deal, but as an engineer who just wants to shop on specs and fix a price to a project, I find the voodoo behind truck pricing to be a major turn off.

Plenty of dealerships do a "haggle free" pricing.