Thanks for the info guys. I have been looking at all the options listed and all the help is much appreciated. Those swampers look great but a little too much for my daily driver needs. I had a set of buckshot mudders in 285 70 r 17 prior to my kelly tires. Loved them but they got "out of round" with still decent tread left. I was good about rotating also. Had about 30,000 miles on them so i think i did ok with them. Needed new tires especially after the lift was put on anyway. Got bit by the "practical" bug and got a set of less aggressive tires as i am unfortunately on the road more than off. The drop in road noise was incredible. Didn't realize how loud the buckies were till they were off. If anybody is looking for a good AT tire that is surprisingly good off road, check out the kelly TSR. And no I do not work for kelly tire or any of their affiliates. Thanks for the help.