Another 100 series vs 5th gen 4Runner thread

fishead

Observer
Greetings. I had been thinking about buying an rv and pulling a toad until I found this site and something clicked. The plan now is to buy an expedition vehicle and add an RTT so I can go pretty much where I want, when I want, with my wife's approval of course. I've narrowed it down to a 2003-2007 Cruiser or a 5th gen 4Runner. I've owned a Toyota before and what I prize above all else in a vehicle is reliability.
Any trips would involve me, sometimes my wife and a dog or two. No kids. We'd probably carry an RTT, a kayak or canoe, fishing gear and one or two mountain bikes. I'm not really interested in rock crawling. I think BLM lands and trails like the Southern Alpine Loop and the White Rim Trail are exactly what I'm looking for. I have some deteriorating discs in my lower back so I can't take too much of a pounding, even though I like driving fast off road, and need a vehicle that can carry me in comfort for days or weeks at a time. At 6'4", I need plenty of interior room and comfortable seats as well.
I have a few questions about each vehicle. I drive a Nissan Titan right now which has been great, but is not 4x4. I'm used to lousy mpg so the LC wouldn't be too much of a shock but I'd still like the better mpg of the 4Runner. I'm not much of a wrench when it comes to cars so that concerns me about the LC. It would behoove me to learn to do some wrenching if I'm going to be heading into the backcountry, but just how much maintenance would an LC with a history of completed scheduled maintenance need on a regular basis? I've read enough about their longevity but I'm still looking at vehicles with about 100,000 miles, give or take a few, on them. I don't want a 200 but I kind of feel like relatively low mileage 100 series are going to be even more scarce in the not too distant future, while it would be easier to find a 5th gen 4Runner if the Cruiser doesn't work for me. It seems like one of the main benefits with the 4Runner would be a new vehicle under warranty, but where does Toyota stand on modifications? I'm thinking about starting with sliders and skid plates and moving on, possibly, to a lift, bigger tires, bumpers and a winch. If Toyota would likely claim that I voided the warranty I don't see much point in spending $10-20k more on the 4Runner.
Finally, with the tailgate on the Cruiser, is it possible to drive with the gate down? Is the glass above the tailgate secure or can it be secured with the tailgate down? I currently have a bed extender for carrying canoes or kayaks and would like to be able to drop the tailgate and be able to drive short distances with any boats secured to the extender and somewhere inside the Cruiser. That would be much easier than having to load a heavy boat on the roof by myself.
I've driven each briefly and I'm going to take each vehicle for a longer test drive but it's proving to be a difficult decision. Thanks in advance for any advice.
 

bogman2121

New member
Toyota can't void the warranty unless they can PROVE your modifications caused the failure. Hint: the mods you've mentioned, won't. I have a 2013 TE and I love everything about it but I do sometimes wish it had a V8. If that had been an option I would have paid for it but I can't see myself driving anything else.

Check out T4R.org and the Runner section of ExPro to learn everything you never wanted to know about the 5th gens. Good luck with the decision, you can't go very wrong with your choices.
 

zimm

Expedition Leader
you cannot drive the tail gate down without some sort of bungee on the upper glass.

you cannot learn to be a decent shade tree mechanic without a truck that requires it as a classroom, so lets cancel out the likelihood of you becoming one before your next truck purchase. the reason youre not one now, is because you really dont want to be one. maybe you envy the skills, sure, but youve spent your time actively avoiding the time consuming task of acquiring them. if your goal is 100% adventure, 0% trailside bull****, thats the smart way to go.

a car doesnt know its warranty has been voided, so even if they did so because of a slider or a bumper, the actual field reliability of the new over the 7 year old, is no different.

you have a bad back.

this all puts you squarely in the "warranty" category.

being that you really havent presented much of a counter argument for the purchase of the used truck, why would you even consider anything but the new truck?
 

CYK

Adventurer
It's going to be a pain in the ******** aka stressful to walk into a dealership with a weepy cv boot when your truck is lifted 2.5" no matter what the law dictates. If you choose to mod, be prepared to defend yourself with time, energy and $. I tend to shy away from confrontational relationships along multiple fronts. Play the cards by understanding the odds/risks.

An LC is definitely a lot cooler (I drive a Land Cruiser v. I drive a 4Runner), but an under warranty (CPO) 4R is a not insignificant wear/tear delta.

I'd personally go with the newest, lowest mileage and least modified 100 series LC. A 4R is nice, but is nearly half a century behind in the heritage dept.
 

zimm

Expedition Leader
It's going to be a pain in the ******** aka stressful to walk into a dealership with a weepy cv boot when your truck is lifted 2.5" no matter what the law dictates. If you choose to mod, be prepared to defend yourself with time, energy and $. I tend to shy away from confrontational relationships along multiple fronts. Play the cards by understanding the odds/risks.

An LC is definitely a lot cooler (I drive a Land Cruiser v. I drive a 4Runner), but an under warranty (CPO) 4R is a not insignificant wear/tear delta.

I'd personally go with the newest, lowest mileage and least modified 100 series LC. A 4R is nice, but is nearly half a century behind in the heritage dept.

compare apples to apples.

lets say the part on the new poorly lifted 4 runner ****s the bed, and they wont cover it without a fight.

lets also say the similar part is on the lc 100, and it too has the poor lift design. it ****s the bed and you are guaranteed to pay the cost.


the 4 runner new is 35,000 bucks. the 100 new was 70,000 bucks. the replacement parts and book time on the 100 are significantly more than on the 4 runner, and due to use and age, are they more likely to fail.

even without the warranty, the 4 runner is the smarter buy.

they are all designed by the same company and the 4 runner benefits from 15 years of significant design and manufacture improvements from the time the 100 came off the drawing boards in 98. heritage? meh. there isnt a single bolt from a 60 that fits on a 100. an all new model is an all new model. they could have named it the "noothgrush on the toothbrush" or sold it thru pontiac, and it would still be the same same truck. im not saying the LC isnt a great, but "heritage" alone tells you nothing.

the 4 runner has more HP and has 17/21 mpg. the LC is 14 at best. with lift, bigger tires, full armor and full load, im below 10.

unless youre insecure about "image" which is what it think "heritage" is code for, considering your aversion to the wrench and your injury, go new.
 

jdlobb

Adventurer
I disagree that "heritage" is just about image, and that is doesn't tell you anything about the vehicle. A new generation of a vehicle isn't an entirely new vehicle. They carry over features and lessons learned from the previous generation. Even if they don't reuse a single part, the entire design and engineering process is influenced by what was successful and unsuccessful about the previous generation.
 

mph

Expedition Leader
I drive a 99 LC and an 06 4runner....what do u like to drive?
Smooth tank? Get the LC. Quick, agile? Get the 4 runner. Also, consider room. There is no room in the 4runner. Limited I should say....what will I buy again? LC. without hesitation...

Good luck. U will enjoy both!
 
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Arktikos

Explorer
Either one of them would have plenty of interior room and comfy seats. If you get the 100, don't do the lift, big tires, sliders, etc. What's the point with the expedition plans you have? Instead, with vehicle maintenance history in hand, take it to a reputable shop and have them replace stuff they think could possibly fail in the forseeable future such as starter, water pump, steering rack, etc. If you get the 4Runner, don't do the lift, big tire, sliders, etc. Just drive it, with the boats up top. :)
 

CreeperSleeper

Looking for bigger rocks.
My advice: Get the best maintained LX470 or LC with AHC you can find and mount some 285's on it. Put a RTT on the stock roof rack and go enjoy it. It will do everything you want and be gentle on your back.
 

Bretthn

Explorer
My advice: Get the best maintained LX470 or LC with AHC you can find and mount some 285's on it. Put a RTT on the stock roof rack and go enjoy it. It will do everything you want and be gentle on your back.

This gets my vote but I could be biased.
Either vehicle should be a good choice. I just could not take a brand new one into the dirt myself.
 

marshal

Burrito Enthusiast
i think you're forgetting that the 4Runner is a land cruiser too, its a LC150 Prado with a different body - just like the LX470s
 

jmackie411

New member
I currently own and drive both a 100 series LC and a 4 runner, on and offroad. I have owned and off-roaded many toyota trucks and suv's in the last 15 yrs.. while my current 4runner is not a 5th gen it is a 4th gen 4runner none the less.. My brother has an 11' 5th gen sr5 on 33's, which I have spent some time in offroad. I would personally suggest the 5th gen 4runner. Unless your looking for a lumbering beast.. That's what the 100 series is.. IMO. I love mine but I only own a 4runner in addition to my LC because I prefer it offroad. It's just an easier trail rig.. More agile, fits more places, easier parts to source, etc.


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jmackie411

New member
I would like to suggest you consider a 3rd vehicle that may get you the best of both worlds.. Give a look at the pre owned Lexus GX470's.. 4.7l V8, Great 4wd system, great suspension.. That is more reliable than the lx470 version for some reason ( I work at a dealer) very capable offroad with few mods, great suspension and comforts for a sore back..


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jmackie411

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Some gx470 pics borrowed offline.
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