ATW Global Warrior .... Official Pics

[ATW]

You asked for it.

My opinions regarding the US market.

Spare tires and lift. A waste for the US market. Heck most of our SUV's never get off the pavement. I really can't envision the majority of purchasers needing built in dual spares. Looks cool, makes the rig look “mean” but not really needed. Put one spare wherever you can fit it and call it good.

I agree it is a waste for the US market.......but it wasn't built for traveling just around the US ......the whole design would be a complete overkill for that. This model and the LHD version will be built with global and remote travel in mind .....with the heavy duty tyres we use, I can't honestly imagine a scenario where you would require two spares on one trip either......but here in Oz or in any remote location (and that's what this thing is for) two spares is considered by the general 4wding population as absolutely mandatory. Gee when i think about it, two spares is almost a standard spec requested even on the buses we build now.

Also on the rear bar is the only logical spot for best access and no clearance issues which would otherwise be caused if mounted under.

Too me putting an awning on the rear and replacing the spare tire carrier with an outdoor kitchen would be idea.

Outdoor kitchen is a good idea but the rear bar IMO is not the spot.....rules out fitting a bike rack and would make it very inconvenient if you intend towing.....BTW that's why we would never have a rear entry door either.....which would have been the easy way out for a design that could be fitted to either left or right hand drive chassis.

If you are interested, the front bins are designed for later fitment of a pullout BBQ and doors are hinged at the top to deflect cooking fumes from the windows if opened above.

It's hard to tell from the pictures but if the awnings are recessed when stowed that would be very nice.

The awnings are recessed about in about 50mm and I guess the awnings would be 80 mm thick.....anymore recess in would have caused conflict indside the module.....there are some covers coming for the leading and trailing edges as an added precaution against tree damage. You should be able to make out the covers in this CAD view below>>>>


HowardH...please don't take any of this the wrong way....We do value your feedback as i said in the previous post and all points you have made here and in other threads are certainly valid and worthy of note.

 

[HowardH]

I agree it is a waste for the US market.......but it wasn't built for traveling just around the US ......the whole design would be a complete overkill for that. This model and the LHD version will be built with global and remote travel in mind .....with the heavy duty tyres we use, I can't honestly imagine a scenario where you would require two spares on one trip either......but here in Oz or in any remote location (and that's what this thing is for) two spares is considered by the general 4wding population as absolutely mandatory. Gee when i think about it, two spares is almost a standard spec requested even on the buses we build now.

I understand. Somehow I got the impression that this was the kickoff vehicle in your US marketing efforts thus my comments regarding this market.

Outdoor kitchen is a good idea but the rear bar IMO is not the spot.....rules out fitting a bike rack and would make it very inconvenient if you intend towing.....BTW that's why we would never have a rear entry door either.....which would have been the easy way out for a design that could be fitted to either left or right hand drive chassis.

If you are interested, the front bins are designed for later fitment of a pullout BBQ and doors are hinged at the top to deflect cooking fumes from the windows if opened above.

My thought was along the lines of fitting into the space freed up by removal of the twin spares and their lifting mechanism. Again just be looking at pictures it's difficult to gauge the amount of actual space. Perhaps the "recovery" locker could be moved to the back and it's space fitted into a slide-out kitchen? All depends upon how the mold works. I am guessing that one disadvantage of the fiberglass mold route is the difficulty in making changes.

I for one wouldn't want anything to interfere with towing.

The awnings are recessed about in about 50mm and I guess the awnings would be 80 mm thick.....anymore recess in would have caused conflict inside the module.....there are some covers coming for the leading and trailing edges as an added precaution against tree damage.

To me that sounds like a great design/solution.

HowardH...please don't take any of this the wrong way....We do value your feedback as i said in the previous post and all points you have made here and in other threads are certainly valid and worthy of note.

Absolutely not! The frank exchange and discussion of ideas benefits all of us. I appreciate your always taking the time to answer my questions.

PS that CAD rendering is very nice, helpful!

 

[ATW]

The frank exchange and discussion of ideas benefits all of us. I appreciate your always taking the time to answer my questions.

PS that CAD rendering is very nice, helpful!

You are welcome.

If you think the CAD is helpful, here are a couple more screen shots done way back in the beginning. Some fine details were changed in production but the shots without the roof shown may help understand the layout better.

 

[Sagestone]

Hi Dean....thanks.

No.....the interior is mirrored. So we have a new LHD floor and new LHD toilet cubicle with the entry located on the RHS of the truck . All other parts swap over to the opposite side or like the dinette and bed they are not effected........and yes.We are very keen to see the hardtop too!!!

There is a 2" receiver and points on the rear bar that would support a lightweight bike rack but it would be outboard a fair way due to the departure angle. I wouldn't go swinging my V-Strom back there but a Madass might be OK. .... this isn't something that we are planning to offer at this point but it would be possible for someone with fab skills.

Hi John,
The Madass 125 motorcycle weighs approx 210 lbs dry. I plan on traveling with a Yamaha WR250R which weighs 295 lbs dry. I will probably leave one spare home and mount the other on a cab mounted rack or roof mount and modify/fab your rack into an awesome bike lift. The 22 gal. black water tank with macerator pump out on rear is perfect. Cassettes IMHO are a lazy alternative. Their wheeled dumping convenience is outweighed by their lack of capacity and having to search out a dumping place every couple of days. That one convenience can be easily replicated by carrying a wheeled dump container that could be filled from your system (if needed). We plan on remote camping most of the time on the millions upon millions of acres of BLM land here and a strict read of their rules, on required blackwater capacity, is 15 gal....carry 3 cassettes? No thank you. I plan on fitting my pump out hose to a retractable reel which will allow me to park near (25 feet of hose) a pit toilet and let 'er rip...will work well with the numerous dump stations available to us in the West as well. Your use of stainless fasteners throughout are first class. Americans also love their microwave/convection ovens...can I assume the hardtop LHD U.S. version will allow more wall cabinetry to accommodate this? The separate h20 tanks (main 52 gal/drinking 23gal) is also genius. We will encounter plenty of remote open water sources to draw from for flushing and bathing and a strictly potable supply tank with manual pump/faucet near the sink is perfect. The techno-step is nice. The only criticism I could find was that under certain conditions some users found the bullnose edge slippery...applying non-slip tread tape is an ez solution but I plan on spraying it with a clear non-slip aersol spray so I don't mar it's aluminum luster lol. Enough comments and questions for now...Thank you. Regards, Dean

 

[Scott Brady]

I like it!

Good use of space and simple/clean in appearance. Well done. We look forward to seeing it in person

 

[ATW]

I like it!

Good use of space and simple/clean in appearance. Well done. We look forward to seeing it in person

Hi Scott....Right at this moment , that truck has just completed the Oodnadatta Track and is heading to Alice Springs for its first 5000k service tomorrow.....then bound for Darwin to get on a barge to Indonesia in about 2 weeks........I'm not clear of your travel plans but if you are on or near the Sturt Highway around then, let me know.

Yeah....very much looking forward to your visit ...Had Pierre M here yesterday and he was telling me about your 7 Continents trip.....wow...what a gig!!! When are you going to get a real job?

Kind regards John.

 

[ATW]

Hi John,
The Madass 125 motorcycle weighs approx 210 lbs dry. I plan on traveling with a Yamaha WR250R which weighs 295 lbs dry. I will probably leave one spare home and mount the other on a cab mounted rack or roof mount and modify/fab your rack into an awesome bike lift. .........Thank you. Regards, Dean

My only comment there is that throwing weight on the roof is not a good idea as it effects the cab tilt ......and the combined weight of those wheels shown is about 335 lbs so the bar is pretty tough. Reg ards John.

 

[ATW]

Hi John....... The 22 gal. black water tank with macerator pump out on rear is perfect. Cassettes IMHO are a lazy alternative. Their wheeled dumping convenience is outweighed by their lack of capacity and having to search out a dumping place every couple of days. That one convenience can be easily replicated by carrying a wheeled dump container that could be filled from your system (if needed). We plan on remote camping most of the time on the millions upon millions of acres of BLM land here and a strict read of their rules, on required blackwater capacity, is 15 gal....carry 3 cassettes? No thank you. I plan on fitting my pump out hose to a retractable reel which will allow me to park near (25 feet of hose) a pit toilet and let 'er rip...will work well with the numerous dump stations available to us .........Thank you. Regards, Dean

Hi Dean......yeah. We agree completely and stopped fitting cassette systems about 6 years ago. Some still prefer the idea of carrying a cassette to a dump point or public toilet ..... Still pros and cons for both systems ..... Cassette is much cheaper and simpler but imagine in this particular truck with 6 people living in it!! We supply a 10 metre ( 33') lay flat hose with a camlock coupling on a wind-up reel......the whole thing rolls up in a package about 14" x 3" and then goes in a plastic bag. The idea is to pump out the black water first then flush the hose with the soapy grey water.

Regards
John

 

[ATW]

Americans also love their microwave/convection ovens...can I assume the hardtop LHD U.S. version will allow more wall cabinetry to accommodate this............Regards, Dean

Hi Dean.....the hardtop is still a way off so anything I say now is subject to change........but yes, there is considerable internal detail planned . We are more focused on getting the first RHD pop-tops into full production at the moment. Regards John.

 

[ATW]

Hi John,...... The only criticism I could find was that under certain conditions some users found the bullnose edge slippery...applying non-slip tread tape is an ez solution but I plan on spraying it with a clear non-slip aersol spray so I don't mar it's aluminum luster lol. Enough comments and questionus for now...Thank you. Regards, Dean

Hi Dean.....Very valid point and we were already looking at alternatives.

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply in such detail.

Regards John.

 

[Holger]

I love the truck, well done guys.
The one thing I noticed is the big water tank.
I have travelled in northern Africa before.
What we found was that it is better to have a system with several smaller canisters or tanks.
The water quality can vary hugely, but because you never know if the next water source is good, bad or dried up we would always fill up. Some water was brackish, others smelly....others good.
With several canisters we could fill up, but not contaminate all the water.
We had different tanks with different water qualetys.
So we could use some only for washing up, others for drinking....
The on board filter will cope with good water, but not with brackish or muddy water.

Redundancy is another reason.
A friend also got a leak in the water tank and lost 200l in one go.
Not good in the middle of the Sahara...

 

[ATW]

I love the truck, well done guys.
The one thing I noticed is the big water tank.
I travelled extensively in northern Africa.
What we found was that it is better to have a system with several smaller canisters or tanks.
The water quality can vary hugely, but because you never know if the next water source is good, bad or dried up we would always fill up. Some water was brackish, others smelly....others good.
With several canisters we could fill up, but not contaminate all the water.
We had different tanks with different water quality.
So we could use some only for washing up, others for drinking....
The on board filter will cope with good water, but not with brackish or muddy water.

Redundancy is another reason.
A friend also got a leak in the water tank and lost 200l in one go.
Not good in the middle of the Sahara...

Hi Holger....not sure if you noticed but there is a separate 90 litre tank for drinking only .... Plus the 200 litre main tank.......So 290litre in total. This was done for all the reasons you stated. Splitting the main tank into 2 x 100 would add cost I guess too.

BTW where are you based?

Regards
John.

 

[Holger]

No, didn't notice that it was split in two tanks like that.
Good work anyway! Nicely build and one of the few commercially available 4x4 motorhomes in Australia suitable for a family to travel in.

By now I live on the same beautiful island as you do.

 

[Sagestone]

Hi Dean......yeah. We agree completely and stopped fitting cassette systems about 6 years ago. Some still prefer the idea of carrying a cassette to a dump point or public toilet ..... Still pros and cons for both systems ..... Cassette is much cheaper and simpler but imagine in this particular truck with 6 people living in it!! John

Yeah I can...the stereotypical family trip question of "are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet?"...would be replaced with "Can we go yet , can we go yet, can we go yet?!...":snorkel: Hope this translates as I am rofl...

 

[Thespoon]

Hi John and Staff
I can see that a lot of effort has gone into research and design of the Global Warrior and looking at the pics, the finish is second to none. It all looks very functional and really well thought out. As for the look outside......well I've never been exited about pop tops and I have troubles to like that rear section but I understand the functionality about it. I'm sure the single cab will look better and the Hardtop version will look like a real Expedition vehicle.
Hopefully in near future the full specifications (and maybe pricing) will be available.
BTW: As for other comments from our "regulars".......the silence is deafening......where are ye?...( Blackduck,Skifreak,Alan,Amesz just to name a few):Wow1:
Regards
Adrian