Balancing Payload capacity vs. Offroad

[ITTOG]

@windtraveler, could you unpack that a bit regarding the two being at odds with each other? I can think of a few like duallies, small street tires, sway bars, and diesel being nice for towing and hauling, but not so good offroad... where large tires, and a more compliant suspension are desirable.


I'd like to know what your perceived differences are if you don't mind.

Four things stand out to me: reliability, towing, power, and turning. I won't go into reliability. I think everyone can admit that Tundra gen was way more reliable than my 2018 F150. That is also my experience. Towing with the Tundra was so much more comfortable. Yes the F150 has plenty of power but towing a 4,000 pound boat is much more stable and comfortable in the Tundra. In fact, the Tundra was my son's car for a few years and I would almost always us it when it was available. The power of the 5.7L versus the 3.5L twin turbo are similar but very different in one are: initial acceleration. The Tundra is instantaneous and the Fi150 lags, a lot in my opinion. With the F150 I almost always have to back into parking spots. The Tundra could easily get into spaces forwards or backwards. Forwards isn't really an option on the F150.

 

[Obsessed2findARuggedHybid]

Hey Yoss..glad your enjoying your KK.

Sell that truck and get a:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62568315/2025-lexus-lx700h-hybrid-overtrail-details/

 

[rruff]

The power of the 5.7L versus the 3.5L twin turbo are similar but very different in one are: initial acceleration. The Tundra is instantaneous and the Fi150 lags, a lot in my opinion.

I think I can give you some advice on that one... get a throttle controller or tune for the F150. Toyota changed the programming on the Tundra in 2013 to make the throttle response suck as well. It was extremely aggravating! Normally I drive pretty mildly, and the computer's response was to only give me maybe 20% of the engine if I pushed the throttle down 50%, with the other 80% of the engine happening in the last 50%. Very non-linear. If I really need to move I had to floor it, and of course it would give me 100% of the engine then, which meant the tires lit up, and the traction control came on, and the truck quit moving... maddening! A $90 throttle controller has mostly fixed it. A tune would cost more, but also give you more options and better performance.

The F150 turbo has more low end torque and is lighter, so should be faster off the line unless you have high gearing.

 

[p nut]

I think you can use forscan to put it in Sport mode by default.

 

[ITTOG]

I think I can give you some advice on that one... get a throttle controller or tune for the F150. Toyota changed the programming on the Tundra in 2013 to make the throttle response suck as well. It was extremely aggravating! Normally I drive pretty mildly, and the computer's response was to only give me maybe 20% of the engine if I pushed the throttle down 50%, with the other 80% of the engine happening in the last 50%. Very non-linear. If I really need to move I had to floor it, and of course it would give me 100% of the engine then, which meant the tires lit up, and the traction control came on, and the truck quit moving... maddening! A $90 throttle controller has mostly fixed it. A tune would cost more, but also give you more options and better performance.

The F150 turbo has more low end torque and is lighter, so should be faster off the line unless you have high gearing.

Yeah I have stayed away from tunes because almost everyone I know that has a tune on their 3.5 L have had engine issues. My concern with power is when I need to pass people or shoot a gap. The little delay can cause a huge problem. The Tundra would just shoot like a rocket and keep me safe in those situations. If I never had a high horsepower V8 then I probably wouldn't mind the delay.

I didn't know they did all that detuning to the Tundra. That sucks.