Best construction for off road use?

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
I have a couple of friends who are shopping for a used hard side to take on a trip from the top of the Dempster hwy (arctic ocean) to the tip of South America in Ushuia Chile. The truck carrying it will be a '97 F350 crew with 7.3 diesel. Some of the planned route will include 500 mile + sections of dirt/mud mining roads in Bolivia and Peru.

Ideally they will find something in the 9-9.5' range with a wet bath. Any thoughts on what would be the least likely to cause them problems on the off road portions of the trip? They would like to keep the purchase price under $10,000.
 

Regcabguy

Oil eater.
That's like asking for a board that'll work in 2'-10' mush or tubes. I'm at a loss. The Ford frame has a lot of flex in it and isn't easy on campers.
Hopefully,somebody's experienced just such a trip out there.
 

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
I know it's a tough one. Some say wood frame/aluminum siding flexes better. I have aluminum frame, one piece fibreglass skin on mine, but I don't take it on much more than forestry roads. The rough stuff is what the jeep is for. They are also looking at Bigfoots and Kodiak full fibreglass models. Kinda covers the whole enchilada...
 

incognito

Adventurer
i'm preparing a rig for offroad use also.
for now what i want to do to with the truck is bilstein 5100 shocks and some offroad coils maybe with a 2 inch lift in front and a fast sway bar disconnect to allow more front flex. in the back I'm still looking for solutions due to camper weight i cannot put softer suspension for more travel up-down.i would have liked softer suspension and 2 good air bags in the rear but guys told me are not very good on highway( some air transfer between the left and the right air bags).and i'm waiting for automatic tire deflators i've bought on ebay. that is important offroad if i don't want to destoy the truck and the camper.

best construction for offroad by far is the lightest camper you will be happy with.heavier camper will be self-distoyed by its own weight. but these are my own thoughts maybe i'm completly wrong.
i've bought a Bigfoot 3000 oakland 4000 lbs. best construction and insulation, but way too heavy for my needs.
Since now i want more offroad i've sold the bigfoot and bought a Northern lite 9.6 1700 Lbs.My ram dually doesn't even know is on the truck . it is one of the lightest well insulated campers i could find.
still in process of building my expedition vehicle. last week modify the utility box to fit the truck camper. today i just installed the utility box on the truck .heavy job but glad is done.
have safe travels
incognito
 

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i would have liked softer suspension and 2 good air bags in the rear but guys told me are not very good on highway( some air transfer between the left and the right air bags).

Hey there incognito...you can plumb each bag separately. If you tie them together you will definitely get air transfer. :sombrero:
 

Mundo4x4Casa

West slope, N. Ser. Nev.
The answer is, "Ford or Chevy?" I've done the top half of your friends trip in 2003. For that, it just doesn't matter. Any rig will do. About the 'southern' part of their trip, I don't know. What I do know is; for poor or doubtful roads you want the lightest, narrowest, least tall camper you can find. I'm stuck with a wood-frame camper that everyone who doesn't own one said I would pull apart off-road. Well, I'm still waiting for it to pull apart. I have developed a lot of skills for making the box last on foul roadways, mostly transposed over from a lifetime of jeeping. Below is a recent trip we made over the Mojave Road. You can glean a lot of ideas from these:
regards, as always, jefe
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/26898294.cfm
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/26811158.cfm
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/26816451.cfm
 

Scott Brady

Founder
I have a couple of friends who are shopping for a used hard side to take on a trip from the top of the Dempster hwy (arctic ocean) to the tip of South America in Ushuia Chile. The truck carrying it will be a '97 F350 crew with 7.3 diesel. Some of the planned route will include 500 mile + sections of dirt/mud mining roads in Bolivia and Peru.

Ideally they will find something in the 9-9.5' range with a wet bath. Any thoughts on what would be the least likely to cause them problems on the off road portions of the trip? They would like to keep the purchase price under $10,000.

Yeah, I think a bigfoot or Alaska is the only real option. Those Bigfoot campers are pretty tough. Doug Hackney had one on his Fuso for South America.
 

Mundo4x4Casa

West slope, N. Ser. Nev.
This being an opinion page, I would say the Alaskan is too accessory-free, and too old to be a viable, long term expedition domicile. It's not a lightweight either. It would be pretty bare bones travel.
Ron's MB416 with '72 AK: I think he's on this forum and he goes everywhere his jeep club goes.


The Bigfoot, as well made as it is, is too heavy for a stock F-350 without a lot of expedition enhancing of the truck. For a trip as extended as the OP's friend's plans are, I would pay more attention to the truck than to the camper. It has taken me 10 years to get my TC to the point where I have few reservations about taking it on the road less travelled.
A few basics I have found over long experience are:
1. Use a manual transmission. Up until about 2006, automatics in pickups were not reliable enough to stay together over a long period. Heat is the enemy here. After 2006 you could not use Sud Amerika diesel fuel anyway.
2. Beef up the suspension. My truck was a "camper prep" from the factory and had secondary springs just like the 1 ton dualie. I added another set of secondaries, and stable loads to give my 3/4 T. pickup an upgrade to about a 1.25T weight rating. For floatation I use aggressive super singles on the rear: 33x15.50R16's ( 3750 lb. load rating) on 12" wide wheels. When you run a camper, almost the entire weight goes on the rear axle. When you get in mud or sand you want a wide aggressive patch:

My neighbors are the Wescott's, (Turtle Expedition) and I have followed their travels for decades. I remember when they were set to do Siberia in the winter with their Ford F-350, SRW, and pop up camper. I took one look at those skinny little 32" AT tires, and the flimsy, insulation-free design of the pop-up camper and thought, '"whoa, there is trouble ahead." They learned the hard way to use BIG tires and not using a pop-up for all-season travel. Subsequently, they put a custom designed, hard shell camper (well, not a removable one) on to a three point suspension system and a porta-potty and can run in any weather, any temperature, any road condition, any place on the earth. They are still bare bones though compared to an eleven foot Big Foot. I did not get to see the Wescott's before they left on their latest adventure over the Silk Road. There was an article in the local paper about them and the trip. The thing that makes it most newsworthy for me is the time frame: THREE YEARS! A three year expedition. Monica speaks 6 languages fluently, and I suspect she's brushed up on her Mandarin.
You'll see roads like this up high in S. America. This is from our trip over all the jeep road high passes in the San Juans. We did 8, 12000 to 13000 foot passes in our truck campers.

In the desert sections of S. America, expect to see roads like this:

In the end, I would say to your friend who wants to run the Americas, just buy a small, old piece of junk TC with just enough amenities for a modicum of comfort, and run it into the ground. It's the adventure of a lifetime. The big thing here is: "weight is the enemy". There are a large body of folks who have done this trip. Find their stories on the internet.
regards, as always, jefe
 

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
They already have a F350 with 7.3. It is ready for the trip. I have mentioned many times to go as light as possible. We'll see how it goes...
 

Rockhard426

New member
I did a trip to South America but I left from Florida back on 1987 . I took a brand new Ford Econoline Van , it was only 2wd !! , and the roads back then were bad, i have not been back since but I could probably say the roads are the same now as it was back in 87. I went from Mexico,Guatemala,Honduras,Nicaragua,Costa Rica, Panama, Ecuador, (By passed Colombia) Heck we should not have even go thru Panama at that time. Peru, Bolivia(La Paz Bolivia, the highest capital city in the world , that was fun ),Paraguay,Brasil, and put over 12,000 miles on the van , slow down on the wash board roads , all the vibration rubbed a bare spot in my Positive battery cable and shorted out, It won't hurt to put some good insulation on your cables and make sure your battery posts are tight and everything else from wheels to suspension and ect.... Just take your time and use good judgement and your truck will be fine.
 

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
The guys going on the trip have a thread in the "In progress" forum. Alaska to Patagonia is the title. They have bought a fairly cheap Vanguard camper that is in good shape. The fun starts in ten days! Post or follow their thread!
 

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