Buying a 1998 Discovery 1 Tomorrow!!!!!!!

AndrewClarke

Adventurer
Welcome back :) I know it's in Kitchener, but it's always good to check Princess Auto's sales ( http://www.princessauto.com/pal/currentSaleView.jsp ) to see if they have anything you need.

Forgive me if I'm being dense, but in case you don't know about Princess Auto, it's a good place to get cheap tools. I mean cheap in both senses of the word. However, they do have quality products as well, and sometimes you don't need a $100 Snap-On wrench when a $6 wrench will do.

- Andrew.
 

dcwhybrew

Adventurer
Contrary to my activity a few times on the rest of the forum, I have given this section a good break to think about and mull things over. I have reached several significant conclusions. I'm not going to respond to the above comments.

First of all I have some very very good news. Ian called in a few favours for me and my car is now CERTIFIED without any corners being cut. That means I can Finally register it and drive it on the road. Thank god. The windshield did not have to be replaced. Also, thank god. These are the things I have decided.

#1. I am Not selling the truck. I have invested too much time, energy, money into it for it to make sense to be sold. Also, I always have loved cars, I know that I will eventually want a new one, and barring gas prices going way way higher, this one is pretty much a mint starting place for my build right now. Just being rational, why would I sell it?

#2. I am going and buying a set of tools as soon as I can get someone to drive me to the store. I'm going to do the research and find out what sizes/types of ratchets and wrenches will be most useful to start off my collection.

#3. I have decided that I am going to take responsibility for the rest of the fixes for this truck. I spoke to the mechanic on the phone today. He told me that he has got the truck to where it needed to be to pass the safety, but due to knowing my financial constraints and our discussion he was leaving the rest of the fixes up to me. He said that was his whole point of getting me to come in on the weekends basically to 'test' me to see what he might push to do, and what he figured I could do myself as well as to begin the teaching process, for the electrical and suspension. That means the hoses, radiator and thermostat will be the first jobs that I take on, followed sometime closer to winter when I have the funds to upgrade the suspension. He said I don't need to do them Now, just into the summer and preferably before I go cross-Canada with it.

#4. I really want to get the respect of the guys on this forum back. I think in retrospect that I should have given myself time to digest the information I was being fed before coming here and pouring out my soul about all the bad things that happened. Call me crazy, but having the respect of some older guys for me trying to do this, and who are willing to help me is really important to me. I have always tried to act older beyond my years, and now its getting to the point where its time to either put up, or shut up.

#5. I'm getting the truck back this Saturday. I plan to roll the windows down, crank the stereo and love the **** out of the truck I bought. I figure I just have to accept its going to be like a woman. You have to have the downs to have the ups. I have had the mechanic urge my whole life, I just spent the past while adjusting the drive line and other parts on my road bike so it doesn't rub before I posted this. Now its just time to get the tools I need to fix a car and not just a bike and get to work.

I want to turn over a new leaf, and stop being the laughing stock of this forum. I make no promises I won't post more threads in the future wailing about this truck, but I can assure you it will be accompanied by pictures of me under the truck holding up a part going, ****** is this? I Am going to go overlanding and offroading with this truck and I will prove that I am capable of doing it myself. For the record, my plan was ALWAYS to buy a set of tools and learn to disassemble this rig for the ability to fix it in sticky situations. That was one positive it always had, as everyone said it was so simple to work on. Was I overwhelmed by the initial shock of the problems? Yes. Did I feel that I could take on all of these sort of 'diagnose the small problems to find all the bigger ones' Not yet. But I will. I think its been misunderstood that it was never my intention to learn all about this truck. I have had the RAVE manual since before I even bought the truck. I just needed a bit of help to get going, but now Its all me, no training wheels.

Anyways guys, that's all for me today, Ill update when I get it back for some quick pictures of my completed rig. Thanks

From what I have read, you may be headed in the right direction. Just get the truck in top mechanical shape (and cosmetic shape, in my opinion) before you start bolting on a bunch of mods. With a well maintained truck and good tires, you'll go pretty far in stock form. Good luck to you and keep us informed of your material progress. Lastly, no more apologies or similar comments. Just move on and participate...

Good luck.
 

David Harris

Expedition Leader
From what I have read, you may be headed in the right direction. Just get the truck in top mechanical shape (and cosmetic shape, in my opinion) before you start bolting on a bunch of mods. With a well maintained truck and good tires, you'll go pretty far in stock form. Good luck to you and keep us informed of your material progress. Lastly, no more apologies or similar comments. Just move on and participate...

Good luck.

x2. BTW: Sometimes it may seem like everyone on here has loads of money and time, but there are quite a few of us who run Rovers on a budget. This means researching where you can cut costs, and where you shouldn't, as well as working all of the vendors strengths and weaknesses as you shop for parts. If you can learn to do most things yourself, a Rover doesn't necessarily have to break your bank, at least any more than a lot of other older cars. After all, as the Toyota forum guys have already told you, even their trucks break down and can cost to maintain as well. . .

Ask on here first before you buy a part . . . Many of us can help with advice on good deals and keeping to a budget on specific repairs.

David
 

rijosho

Adventurer
I think I just cried some tears of joy. :roost:

Congrats. Buying a ton of individual tools can be daunting. I have this tool set/kit of 300 or so from a few Christmases ago, that has been helpful, and it has been reliable so far. I don't know if you guys have a Harbor Freight up there, but they can be useful for some tools at cheap prices, but are of course not the best tools you can buy. I haven't broken anything in the kit yet, and it's been helpful to have multiples of the same size rachets, wrenches, etc. that are included in it, and they're both SAE and metric. I wouldn't buy most of the Harbor Freight stuff for things like circulating saws or riveting hand tools, but for wrenches in this kit, it's been just fine. Good starting point, too.

http://www.harborfreight.com/professional-301-piece-mechanics-tool-kit-45951.html
 

JeremyT101

Adventurer
Got it back today!!! Yay!! The end price ended up only being like 4/7th of what I thought it was going to be, and so I think all in all, knowing the quality of the parts and work that was done, a great deal was had here. I got it all registered up, brought it home and went for a drive! There are still some little jobs that have to be done to it that I'm going to take care of. It desperately needs an oil change, and I have the correct filter for it. Ian suggested I use 15w30, non synthetic for changing the oil, he also said I don't need to put it up on jack stands or anything. I have read that if you drive the passenger side up onto a curb and put on the parking brake, that is good enough to put the oil drain plug at the correct angle for it to drain out. Do you guys know what size wrench/socket that would need. He suggested that the two things I need to buy next are a good set of wrenches and a ratchet set, along with a collapsible proper jack and a piece of wood as the bottle jacks suck fairly intensely. I also need to replace the plugs but the wires are good he Built me a set of 8mm wires which are on right now. He said I could just get the good ole champion bronze. For those is it just a deep ratchet to get them out? Also, about the gap, does one have to set/check this gap? How does one do this without the tool?

Also, (sorry for so many questions!!) what does one do with the dirty oil that you get out of the truck? Can't just throw it away I know. Do you guys just keep it? Ill check the RAVE or the shop manual for the proper procedure for the oil change and plug swaps as well, as they can hopefully help me out!

Thanks guys!

Ps. Andrew I saw you defender today, looks sweet! And just about as basic as I thought it would. haha
 

David Harris

Expedition Leader
Got it back today!!! Yay!! The end price ended up only being like 4/7th of what I thought it was going to be, and so I think all in all, knowing the quality of the parts and work that was done, a great deal was had here. I got it all registered up, brought it home and went for a drive! There are still some little jobs that have to be done to it that I'm going to take care of. It desperately needs an oil change, and I have the correct filter for it. Ian suggested I use 15w30, non synthetic for changing the oil, he also said I don't need to put it up on jack stands or anything. I have read that if you drive the passenger side up onto a curb and put on the parking brake, that is good enough to put the oil drain plug at the correct angle for it to drain out. Do you guys know what size wrench/socket that would need. He suggested that the two things I need to buy next are a good set of wrenches and a ratchet set, along with a collapsible proper jack and a piece of wood as the bottle jacks suck fairly intensely. I also need to replace the plugs but the wires are good he Built me a set of 8mm wires which are on right now. He said I could just get the good ole champion bronze. For those is it just a deep ratchet to get them out? Also, about the gap, does one have to set/check this gap? How does one do this without the tool?

Also, (sorry for so many questions!!) what does one do with the dirty oil that you get out of the truck? Can't just throw it away I know. Do you guys just keep it? Ill check the RAVE or the shop manual for the proper procedure for the oil change and plug swaps as well, as they can hopefully help me out!

Thanks guys!

Ps. Andrew I saw you defender today, looks sweet! And just about as basic as I thought it would. haha



Glad everything was less than you thought. The original price was way high. On my Rover V8's I use a K&N 3001 oil filter which has extended capacity over the original. For oil I use Shell Rotella 15W40, as do many others. 15W30 might be better for winter though. You don't need to drive the wheel onto a curb, just keep it on a flat surface, so when you put the new oil in, you can get an accurate reading on the dipstick. Do use the parking brake or chock the wheels. The oil capacity is 6-7 quarts depending on the filter. Add six quarts and then check after running it briefly to top it up to full. Get an oil pan that closes up and you can just take the dirty oil down to the auto parts store. I don't know about Canada but most here take old fluids.

When you buy a set of sockets and wrenches, get both metric and standard as the sizes on the Rover are a mix of both.

The factory bottle jack is actually a very good quality one and is fine to use for light maintenance. Later you can get a nice floor jack. A pair of jack stands will come in handy for safety.

I use the standard Champion plugs and they're fine. Use a proper spark plug socket with the rubber insert to protect the insulator. Check/set the gap with a cheap gapping tool from you local auto parts store.

You can't go wrong following the factory manual for just about any repair. Check the gap specifications, fluid capacities, etc there.

Have fun!

David
 

chris snell

Adventurer
Don't forget to fill your new oil filter with new oil about 2/3 full or so before installing it. Rub a little new oil around the rubber gasket before installing it, to help it get a good seal. I use only Land Rover Genuine Parts oil filters on my truck. I buy them in bulk from Atlantic British, etc.

Pick up a new copper gasket for your oil drain plug. You should be able to get this from the dealer for a couple of bucks or cheaper online. I usually order them in bulk, too, since you use fresh one each time. Look at the oil gasket on the plug so you can see how it's oriented.

Changing oil without making a mess requires a little zen. I will often open the drain plug very slowly until it starts to drain at a decent rate, but not so much that it's splashing onto the exhaust or you. Once I get it draining, I go back in the house for a bit and come back once it's drained out. You could unscrew the plug completely in the beginning but the oil comes down quickly and can make a mess if it starts splashing off the exhaust. Put some cardboard under the truck until you develop the tiger technique.

You'll want to pick up an oil filer removal tool to help you get the old filter off. Any auto parts store can help you with this one. When you put the filter back on do not use this tool!! Screw the filter on by hand only and when the gasket starts making contact, turn it another 3/4 turn until its snug. Don't over tighten the new filter.

Good luck.
 

dcwhybrew

Adventurer
Got it back today!!! Yay!! The end price ended up only being like 4/7th of what I thought it was going to be, and so I think all in all, knowing the quality of the parts and work that was done, a great deal was had here. I got it all registered up, brought it home and went for a drive! There are still some little jobs that have to be done to it that I'm going to take care of. It desperately needs an oil change, and I have the correct filter for it. Ian suggested I use 15w30, non synthetic for changing the oil, he also said I don't need to put it up on jack stands or anything. I have read that if you drive the passenger side up onto a curb and put on the parking brake, that is good enough to put the oil drain plug at the correct angle for it to drain out. Do you guys know what size wrench/socket that would need. He suggested that the two things I need to buy next are a good set of wrenches and a ratchet set, along with a collapsible proper jack and a piece of wood as the bottle jacks suck fairly intensely. I also need to replace the plugs but the wires are good he Built me a set of 8mm wires which are on right now. He said I could just get the good ole champion bronze. For those is it just a deep ratchet to get them out? Also, about the gap, does one have to set/check this gap? How does one do this without the tool?

Also, (sorry for so many questions!!) what does one do with the dirty oil that you get out of the truck? Can't just throw it away I know. Do you guys just keep it? Ill check the RAVE or the shop manual for the proper procedure for the oil change and plug swaps as well, as they can hopefully help me out!

Thanks guys!

Ps. Andrew I saw you defender today, looks sweet! And just about as basic as I thought it would. haha

Definitely follow Chris Snell's advice on filling the oil filter, lubricating the gasket with oil, etc. I completely for got that stuff. Here is a good discussion on oil filters that you might like reading...http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html Chris Snell likes the LR filters, which I believe are the same as Napa Gold. I always used the K&N 3001 or Mobil 1 301 long filters. That's just me. Read the article and use what you like.

Regarding the oil, go to the discoweb.org bulletin boards, go to the Discovery section and do a search for either oils, high temperature high sheer, and or Chris St-Louis (member's name is really Chris Schaeffer). He did an excellent write up on the appropriate oil to use in the buick derived LR V8s. They're flat tappet engines and they require (if my memory serves me correctly) an oil with a HTHS rating of 3.5. The threads (I think there are 2 or 3 of them) explain how to find the information and one of them, at least, provides a good list of suggested oils. Probably the least expensive quality oil suggested that meets that rating is Rotella 15w40. You can also get in to the synthetics, but you're on a budget so stick with the basics for now. Read those threads! It's good information. *Note there is a thread on this forum regarding tappet failure. I think I mentioned the dweb thread there too.

Regarding plugs, a well respected independent Land Rover mechanic in Springfield, MA, USA recommends Champion RNY12CC (I think that's the correct product #). Originally LR called for Champion RNY11 plugs. The 12s supposedly burn hotter and help reduce the carbon build up in teh valves, which these engines are prone to do. (Its not a matter of will it happen, it is a matter of when). I believe the website is www.robisonservice.com. Then in the menu, look for LR buying advice. Select the series 1 discovery and read. He also provides a good maintenance schedule. (Note, he recommends the Mobile 1 0w40 synthetic oil. That is an excellent recommendation, but it is probably too costly for you. Stick with the Rotella 15w40 for now.)

Back to plugs, don't get crazy and buy platinum plugs and crap. Just get the basic ones I listed above. Dweb has several threads about plugs and consequences of using the wrong kind. You shouldnt have to change the gap. It doesnt hurt to buy a spark plug gap tool. I believe your owners manual will tell you the appropriate gap to use. But again, you shouldnt have to reset it.

If I remember correctly, the oil drainplug is 1/2" socket. Also, you need to order the copper crush washers from one of the LR parts houses. Be sure you get the Disco 1 copper crush washers, not the Disco 11 (those are smaller, due to different drain plug). You can order 10 at a time for like 10-12 bucks. You replace them each time you remove the oil drain plug.

Used oil goes to your local auto parts store that recycles oil. The national chains all do this, and will take your used oil if you buy your oil from them. By the way, regarding the oil change, you're going to make a big damn mess the first few times you change your oil (at least I did). The oil shoots out the side of the sump pan. Get a large piece of cardboard or something similar to put underneath your truck. I always wore those thick dishwashing gloves or chemical gloves because I usually make a mess.

Regarding the spark plug socket wrench, your auto parts store will help you with that when you get your plugs. You'll need a socket extension. Becareful that you dont over torque your plugs when you put them in. Basically, hand tighten until they wont turn, then 1/4 turn with the ratchet.

Spark plug wires, I've always used Magnacor 8mm wires. They seem to be a popular choice. Just remember, change one wire at a time. Dont yank all 8 off because then you wont know which sparkplug connects to which terminal on the coil. Just pull one wire off both the plug and the coil, match it up to the new set of wires, then install the new wire. Do that 8x's. Use the plastic wire looms in the engine bay to secure the wires, otherwise they may touch hot metal and burn up. Buy the die electric grease for the plugs.

You dont need to tilt your rover when you change the oil. You can get a good set of ramps fairly inexpensively from Autozone, OReilleys, Advance, Napa, or your favorite local autoparts store (I dont know what is in Canada). Otherwise if you have to use a jack, then yeah, you'll want to jack the passenger side up. Speaking of jacks, (if you havent already) get a good 4 ton or greater bottle jack. Probably $30USD. Also get at least two jack stands, minimum 2 ton load each.

Changing plugs and oil is no more difficult than opening a Coke bottle. It's not complicated. Have fun!
 
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JeremyT101

Adventurer
Thanks so much guys! I found a place down the road through an Ontario oil drop off program that will take my used engine oil. First of all I'm going to order some of those copper crush washers for the plug. Then Ill just head to to CT and pick up the Rotella 15w/40 (I didn't know it was a diesel engine oil, but I just read that whole thread and it does make sense, we are running a 60's buick engine) a half inch socket and an oil drain pan. Thanks for the tips on not getting it absolutely everywhere. I'm sure since this is my first time, its going to be a messy job. I have a good set of 8mm wires on there right now (the mechanic built them himself, seemed pretty proud, its a dying art apparently) and they should be good for a very long time. I'm going to pick up 8 of the champion copper plugs (its only like 25$ worth of parts) and the rubber socket and the little gapper thing to change those out too!
 

dcwhybrew

Adventurer
Double check your drain plug size before you go buy one. Mine are all 1-1/8".

You're probably right...it has been a while since I had my D1. I usually used a large adjustable wrench, with a long handle.

EDIT: Yep, you guys are correct. I don't know what the hell I was thinking when I typed 1/2" socket....geez. I found my 1-1/8" and my 1-1/16" sockets. My apologies! I remember one went with the lug nuts and one went with the oil drain plug.

Jeremy, either way, get both in a deep socket. Get a long breaker bar too. That way you dont have to use the damn worthless lug wrench.
 
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JeremyT101

Adventurer
Drove the truck ~250km over the past couple days, feels pretty good. Still have yet to fill it up all the way... I'm a bit scared to see what the final bill of that will be with 91 octane gas pushing 1.50/L here these days. Can you believe it went up 0.10$/L just in the month that the truck was in the shop? It's insane, outright highway robbery!! As of yet I still don't really know the gas mileage that it's getting, but it doesn't appear great. I used around 1/4ish of a tank for about 150km of driving on the 401 going about 110km/h. Which puts the total range of the truck somewhere around 500-600km from a full tank and roughly 15-16L/100km (15-14mpg for you US guys). How does that compare to you guys and your trucks?

All signs are go for the oil/plug change. My dad is on board, and him and I are going to tear into after next weekend. I'm curious to see if changing the plugs will make my fuel mileage any better? God only knows the last time they were out of there. I'm hoping that they aren't seized into the block, that would be a bad situation. I went and read the mpg rating of the other much loved, non diesel overland vehicles such as the toyota LC, esspecially the 80/100 and they seem to drink lots of gas as well so that makes me feel a bit better. Just gotta keep driving with a light foot.
 

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