Camping with a weapon

[Errant]

I don't carry a firearm. I do carry bear spray, if there is a bear (or human) concern, and I almost always have my dog with me

 

[JakeMate]

Personally, for the survival purposes, I'd rather have a knife. Most experts agree it's a much more useful tool in that scenario.

The comments from anti-gun sheeple always amaze me.

Not saying xtatik is a "sheeple" but what "experts" agree on the comment above? I'm a MMA fighter and certified weapons instructor. I'm a co-instructor in a monthly combat class where we practice shooting weapons in various scenarios. We also use force on force training with airsoft guns and shock knives as well as teach hand to hand combat. I've attended multiple classes myself; the most recent being an Unconventional Personal Combat (UPC) class which included no weapons combat. I don't consider myself an expert but I wouldn't agree with the statement above.

I don't want to get involved in this debate because I've learned that there are different people in this world and it's pointless to try and change them. Some people are similar to sheep, some are similar to wolves, and some are warriors. If everyone was a warrior, it might upset some kind of balance in the universe I guess. I'm happy being a warrior, keeping a close eye on the wolf, and ignoring the sheep.

 

[Wyowanderer]

I'm extremely well prepared. In fact, when entering bear habitat, I'd say I'm ten times more prepared than most individuals that would merely strap on iron and go for a walk in the woods. In most cases, guns and fear of bears end up being more detrimental to the individual.

Merely strapping on an iron and going for a walk in the woods is bordering on irresponsible. I have always advocated proficiency with tools of any kind. I'm not particularly good with a bridge mill, so I never use one. A revolver on the other hand....


I just don't believe they are "necessary" or even "appropriate" in all situations. They are definitely not a necessity while wilderness camping.

Not for you. Many would disagree.


Good for you, but, so do I and it might be worth noting that I've never challenged this right and wouldn't.

Duly noted.

As for kindness, how bout we have the kindness to accurately answer the OP's question without infusing it with pro-gun propaganda.

Sorry you view my opinion as propagana. I would disagree. I think I've accurately answered the OP's question below.

So my answer is yes, I camp with weapons. My .44 Mag revolver and a cheap (reliable) pump 12 gauge.
And I'll be glad to protect those who "feel" no need to have firearms of their own.

Ummm, ok! Thanks, I think.

You're welcome, friend.

 

[Mr. Leary]

I'm actually a bit surprised that this topic is still being debated with gusto... I thought we beat this one to death months ago.

For the record... bear spray for four legged critters. Boomstick for two legged ones. Know how to use every tool you carry and bear them with the knowledge that it is much harder to create than to destroy.

I also used to be an MMA fighter and have a tough time understanding some folk's thought processes pertaining to self defense and the use of a weapon. I used to teach self defense classes and beginner CQC classes... and can assure you that it is much easier to defend yourself or your loved ones when you are not having to rely upon the poor judgement or moment of inattention of a perfect stranger who wishes you harm. Humans are the most dangerous critters you will encounter out there. You are almost always assured of an animal's intentions in your camp or on the trail, and can respond accordingly to try to minimize damage. Guessing what a person is thinking can prove difficult in the best of conditions.

Are guns required?

If its really a deal breaker... you should probably re-assess your reasoning for "escaping" to the back country.

Is some sort of weapon required?

Absolutely. I think you are putting yourself in danger if you believe otherwise... but the weapon can be as simple as a baseball bat. A good multi tool does a good job as well... and can be used in a pinch in lou of a roll of quarters. (Don't ask me how I know) :ylsmoke:


These darn threads are quagmires... nobody's opinions ever get changed and egos get bruised... but its so hard to not get sucked in...

 

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I agree with the last post. If you're more comfortable not bringing a weapon, don't.
I won't think any less of you.

Just please don't begrudge me my tools, which I *have* used, by the way.

 

[xtatik]

The comments from anti-gun sheeple always amaze me.

Not saying xtatik is a "sheeple" but what "experts" agree on the comment above? I'm a MMA fighter and certified weapons instructor. I'm a co-instructor in a monthly combat class where we practice shooting weapons in various scenarios. We also use force on force training with airsoft guns and shock knives as well as teach hand to hand combat. I've attended multiple classes myself; the most recent being an Unconventional Personal Combat (UPC) class which included no weapons combat. I don't consider myself an expert but I wouldn't agree with the statement above.

I don't want to get involved in this debate because I've learned that there are different people in this world and it's pointless to try and change them. Some people are similar to sheep, some are similar to wolves, and some are warriors. If everyone was a warrior, it might upset some kind of balance in the universe I guess. I'm happy being a warrior, keeping a close eye on the wolf, and ignoring the sheep.

"MMA fighter"
"certified weapons instructor"
"weapons, weapons, weapons"
"combat class"
"force on force combat"
"hand to hand combat"
"Unconventional Personal Combat"
"I'm a happy warrior"

Jake, seriously dude, re-read both our posts. With your commendable background in weapons, and mano a mano affairs, I wouldn't argue weapons or kumite with with you. But, good gawd man, what does this have to do with the price of bananas in Havana on a Tuesday?

The issue I was addressing in that post was tool preference for wilderness survival and you didn't address that one bit!

BTW, There are numerous places where training or knowledge in this area can be had. Here are some that I consider as the experts in wilderness skills/survival training.

http://www.nols.edu/
-or-
http://www.outwardbound.org

 

[xtatik]

Not for you. Many would disagree.

Many are, but it doesn't necessarily mean they know what their talking about. I'll take my lead from those who do.

 

[Wyowanderer]

Many are, but it doesn't necessarily mean they know what their talking about. I'll take my lead from those who do.

Fact is, none of us can be absolutely assured we're right. We just differ in opinion, and it's our obligation is to respect that. I doubt we'd agree on whose lead to follow. I'll follow my own.

Peace, friend.

 

[xtatik]

Many are, but it doesn't necessarily mean they know what their talking about. I'll take my lead from those who do.

Fact is, none of us can be absolutely assured we're right. We just differ in opinion, and it's our obligation is to respect that. I doubt we'd agree on whose lead to follow. I'll follow my own.

Peace, friend.

Certainly everyone's entitled to an opinion. I fully agree to this, and people can hold to their opinions even in light of contrary facts and statistics. However, no one is required to respect a wrongful opinion. I do think the person can still be respected on other merits though. One opinion, on one subject, doesn't necessarily define that person.
Not trying to lay down words for you, but your statement would only hold true if stated: "none of us can be absolutely assured we're right for every circumstance". If this is what was meant, I'd agree. But, it would also be dismissive of a whole lot of facts and statistical information that still states that a gun is not an essential tool for wilderness travel or camping here in the States.
If you choose to follow your own lead on this issue...that's fine, and your prerogative. But, it's a less than resourceful way of going about it. I'll consider myself resourceful and listen to the experts. Now, this is the part where someone would chime in and say that having a gun could be considered "resourceful".........uhhh, a last resort....maybe. If you find yourself in a wildlife confrontation, chances are you've most likely already made a series of ignorant mistakes, or you've knowingly taken some chances to endanger yourself or the wildlife. If a person chooses to travel "like a bull in a china shop" through the wilderness and take the risk of having to kill an animal unnecessarily, it would be a shameful event....don't you agree? Even hunters won't adopt that ethic. Most hunters have their sensors on maximum and would very rarely find themselves in that situation.

 

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:drool: <---this thread

 

[KG6BWS]

So, most camping here in my area on the East coast is deep in the woods and remote. Theres always a hunting knife in my car but I was curious as to how many people camp with a sidearm? Im not looking for a political debate but curious. Camping at an established site, probably not a consideration. Camping deep in the woods where it is just you, your truck, companion (who spawned the question as I think about planning a multiday trip) and whatever/ whomever wanders your way. Maybe?

Im sure this has come up before but I couldnt find it and Im not even sure this is the right section or not.

Yep, it has come up. http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40094&highlight=weapon

Given the bizzare people out there. I take a 9. The recent shootings up on the Blue Ridge Parkway make my case and point.

Pretty much always take mine w/ me. Came a lot closer than I'd like to actually needing it on 2 trips last summer. In CO open carry is pretty much accepted when you get off the beaten path, and we have very good laws around carrying in a vehicle. Make sure you are in accordance with all local laws when you carry.

I bring the mossberg 500 18.5 inch barrel shotgun filled with slugs.
Doesn't hurt with a hungry yogi around.
I love that I get put through a fisheries course every year for shotgun bear safety.

It's maybe more of hand howitzer than a side arm but when I camp remote I always take my S&W .460 XVR. :elkgrin:

With all the lions, tigers, bears, crackheads, zombies, yeti's that are mentioned on this site in conjunction with guns.....I'm left wondering if many here just aren't really mentally prepared/experienced enough for backcountry travel. It isn't for everyone, and many here come across sounding like they just don't feel comfortable out there. The best way to know if it's important or not, is to spend enough time in the sticks without one and you'll know.
If you are an experienced outdoors person, your answer to yourself and your partner should be simple. From your question, I'm assuming you've never needed it in the past.............? So, what's been your experience.
Most of my friends and I have spent our lifetimes outdoors.....climbing, backpacking, flyfishing, hunting, etc. None of us even remotely feels it necessary to pack a gun during backcountry travel inthe contiguous states. Here are a few exceptions we make.....one, is while hunting (no-brainer). Second, is when on our Alaskan fishing trips, and we leave that business to the guides. Truth is, individually we've had many encounters, primarily with Black Bears, and cats. Most of those encountered amounted to views of them desperately running in the opposite direction to avoid contact with us.
Most of the wildlife attacks in North America are resultant from human stupidity. If you leave the gun at home and bring your brain with you, you'll be just fine. As for human interactions, I would venture a guess that there are far more crimes and opportunities to become a victim of a crime occurring daily within a mile of your home than will ever be realized in the boonies.

I'm a 3rd Generation Eagle Scout, intelligence = prepared in my family!

Ahhh, gotcha. Grew up much the same way....except for the Eagle Scout part.

Multiple questions here, but here goes:
Just as with travel in our biggest cities where dangers are much greater statistically, the overwhelming majority of people will go a lifetime without incident. No one that lives in the city gives it much thought. If they see a congregation of kids on a street corner late at night, they'll walk an additional block to avoid them. The more experienced outdoorsperson is much the same. They've churned the odds years back, were wary to their surroundings and behaviors to the point it becomes their second nature and don't really give it any more consideration....they know the risks and the odds and they know what to avoid. With this experience and knowledge they are in complete comfort.

Personally, for the survival purposes, I'd rather have a knife. Most experts agree it's a much more useful tool in that scenario.

As for putting people down...you need to keep in mind the OP was not in the "those who carry" camp. I was addressing his question, and he was inquiring as to whether or not people felt it was necessary or not. Again, for wilderness travel here in the contiguous states, most experts agree it is not.

Actually you werent addressing his question, or mine either for that matter AT ALL. He asked WHO CARRYS while they are camping, not what your opinion is of those who do. At the top of this post is the OP, the first 6 (I think) replies, and then yours. You dont, fair enough, youve made that very clear. You dont need to explain to everyone why you think that we're all wrong. Because WE'RE NOT!!!! We choose to carry while we camp, you dont, fair enough. The ability to make choices like that is what makes all of us different and what makes the world go round. So rather than trying to belittle all of us, why you dont drink a beer or 6, and drop the damn subject. We all know your stance on it. Personally, I couldnt care less what you think of me choosing to carry. You trust your socalled experts, Ill trust my gut and experience. My gut and experience tell me that its better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.

Why dont you just leave well enough alone, and accept the fact that youre not going to change any of our minds. The OP wanted to know who carried, not whether or not HE should.

Wanted to also ask, again because you didnt answer the first time, why you feel it necessary to belittle those who dont agree with you. And if you think you havent tried doing just that, go back and re-read every one of your posts in this thread.

To the OP, yes I carry. Pistol (.45 colt revolver) and/or a double barrel 12ga shotgun. Pistol, big powerful handloaded rounds, Id trust my life to it if I needed it. Shotgun, carried more often because I see it as useful for defense, if I needed it, but more likely for hunting if I got stranded somewhere. With the multitude of different rounds available, there are few animals in North America you cant hunt with a 12ga shotgun and some practice.

 

[Wyowanderer]

Certainly everyone's entitled to an opinion. I fully agree to this, and people can hold to their opinions even in light of contrary facts and statistics. However, no one is required to respect a wrongful opinion. I do think the person can still be respected on other merits though. One opinion, on one subject, doesn't necessarily define that person.
Not trying to lay down words for you, but your statement would only hold true if stated: "none of us can be absolutely assured we're right for every circumstance". If this is what was meant, I'd agree. But, it would also be dismissive of a whole lot of facts and statistical information that still states that a gun is not an essential tool for wilderness travel or camping here in the States.
If you choose to follow your own lead on this issue...that's fine, and your prerogative. But, it's a less than resourceful way of going about it. I'll consider myself resourceful and listen to the experts. Now, this is the part where someone would chime in and say that having a gun could be considered "resourceful".........uhhh, a last resort....maybe. If you find yourself in a wildlife confrontation, chances are you've most likely already made a series of ignorant mistakes, or you've knowingly taken some chances to endanger yourself or the wildlife. If a person chooses to travel "like a bull in a china shop" through the wilderness and take the risk of having to kill an animal unnecessarily, it would be a shameful event....don't you agree? Even hunters won't adopt that ethic. Most hunters have their sensors on maximum and would very rarely find themselves in that situation.

Good heavens. Okay, you get the last word. I guess that makes you the winner.
To everyone else: sorry for adding to the smell of this stinkpot.

 

[Hill Bill E.]

Wow! Quite the discussion!

To the OP, yes I carry while camping. But then again, I carry all the time now.

Also being an avid outdoorsman, I've spent countless days and nights in the field, all over the contig. US and Alaska.

I've yet to encounter any animal situation where I needed a firearm.

Then again, growing up, I never ran into a situation in town, where I needed one.


But, times change. Up here, Meth took a good hold, and they set up Meth-Labs all over, but usually out in the country, in old sheds, cabins (sometimes not even abandoned cabins) hunting shacks, etc.

It's generally not the 4 legged critters I worry about, but more the strung out, two legged ones, thinking they are being stole from/raided, etc.

I've reported 2 Meth Labs to the sherrifs dept, both I came across while hunting/fishing in the back woods.


I agree with some of the other posts, a firearm is 'another tool in the toolbox', and like any tool, they need to be handled and treated with respect.

HB

 

[Wyowanderer]

Actually you werent addressing his question, or mine either for that matter AT ALL. He asked WHO CARRYS while they are camping, not what your opinion is of those who do. At the top of this post is the OP, the first 6 (I think) replies, and then yours. You dont, fair enough, youve made that very clear. You dont need to explain to everyone why you think that we're all wrong. Because WE'RE NOT!!!! We choose to carry while we camp, you dont, fair enough. The ability to make choices like that is what makes all of us different and what makes the world go round. So rather than trying to belittle all of us, why you dont drink a beer or 6, and drop the damn subject. We all know your stance on it. Personally, I couldnt care less what you think of me choosing to carry. You trust your socalled experts, Ill trust my gut and experience. My gut and experience tell me that its better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.

Why dont you just leave well enough alone, and accept the fact that youre not going to change any of our minds. The OP wanted to know who carried, not whether or not HE should.

Wanted to also ask, again because you didnt answer the first time, why you feel it necessary to belittle those who dont agree with you. And if you think you havent tried doing just that, go back and re-read every one of your posts in this thread.

Agreed. Thanks for posting something reasonable.

 

[xtatik]

Personally, I couldnt care less what you think of me choosing to carry. You trust your socalled experts, I'll trust my gut and experience.

Uhhh, "couldn't care less"..........really?
I think I answered for myself. I thought I'd take the time to present a counterpoint. Shame on me for mistaking this for a forum. The OP didn't say he wasn't looking for opinion, he said he didn't want a political debate...I assumed he meant an anti/pro gun debate in the usual sense....I didn't take it there, and wouldn't. I don't think he was strictly looking for a yes or no poll, if he were, he could have set one up or maybe presented the question differently.
And BTW, they're not my experts, just experts on the subject that are accesible to anyone, fer crapsake.
By all means, if you feel it necessary in order to feel "prepared" take it with you, if not, then don't. Statistically, out there.....either way...makes no difference, and that has been my point from the beginning.
Over and out!