canter rims

[whatcharterboat]

93Canter said

Up until now info on this topic has been hard to get. Seeing the picture of 3 wheels and tyres next to each other is great, it puts it all in perspective. Thanks!

Ok Michael. The next thing I'll try and do (if and when I get the opportunity) is to jack up a front wheel of an FG and drop it down on a piece of cardboard to show the actual footprint / contact patch. Then repeat the process with different tyres and maybe even at dropped pressures (say 35 or 40 PSI). I suppose it'd be a good thing to keep around the workshop to show our customers anyway.

But that would be a good thing to show you guys here wouldn't it ???

 

[alan]

Yeer it's great to find a forum not full of garbage!! I had just about given up on forums until I found this one.
I hope to send a rim away this week, so should have a sample of a 16"x8" split rim early next year.

 

[Mickldo]

Mick, This sounds like the same thing that was described to me. He was saying that it is a common occurrence and one Cruiser even got a front and rear puncture at the same time. Luckily they were in convoy and were able to sort it straightway. These guys run the Cooloola Way and Toolara State Forest to access Fraser when the tides are high and there is a lot of sharp gravel on those roads. (Actually that would be a good "cruisey" trip for you to do whenever you come down to the Sunny Coast)

A lot of guys I have talked to have mentioned the same thing. I also think it is funny that the Cooper factory has released the ST/C, the so-called chip resistant version. They obviously now the same problem.

The tyres I had chipped quite badly but at the time I was prepared to live with that due to the rough terrain I was traveling in all the time. None of the tyres I have had since have chipped anywhere near as bad and I have been traveling in the same areas plus I have also done a few trips into classic tyre killer country like the gibber plains around Coober Pedy and Birdsville with no tyre damage at all.

I quite often do the Cooloola Way or Teewah Beach or Counter Rd or Mothar Mountain or the Mary Valley or . . . . . . .

My brother runs them on his TDi 3 door Defender and says the same thing. Mick I've got RT 01 Hankook (muddies similar to the Duelers) on my Subaru. I know it's almost a sin to mention "Subaru" in the same sentence as a Cruiser (or Defender or a Canter) but the Hankooks have been awesome so far. Actually I've never even seen them in a 14" on anything else yet.

Nothing wrong with a Scooby-Doo. They are a very well put together car, they just aren't designed to perform in the same way as a Cruiser (or the others). I wouldn't hesitate to rate them as being in the same class quality wise as a Cruiser and they are miles ahead of a Land Rover but that is getting off topic.

The Hankooks are a good cheaper muddie. Quite a lot of guys in the local club run them. They available in sizes that a lot of the mainstream tyres aren't.

Thanks mate. I am going to pass this advice on to this guy and see what he thinks. He just bought a 20 seat FG off us so maybe in time he'll ditch the Cruisers altogether anyway. (Maybe wishful thinking on our behalf)

IIRC the Bridgy's are a little more expensive than the others but I reckon they work out better in the long run. Especially in a fleet situation.

No worries. My outbox was doing weird things and I really just wanted to make sure you got the contact details through OK.

Regards John.

I didn't receive a PM. I thought you might have contacted my FIL direct somehow. I'll PM you about it.

 

[Mickldo]

93Canter said


Ok Michael. The next thing I'll try and do (if and when I get the opportunity) is to jack up a front wheel of an FG and drop it down on a piece of cardboard to show the actual footprint / contact patch. Then repeat the process with different tyres and maybe even at dropped pressures (say 35 or 40 PSI). I suppose it'd be a good thing to keep around the workshop to show our customers anyway.

But that would be a good thing to show you guys here wouldn't it ???

I second that vote.

I saw a technique for adjusting tyre pressures where you measured the contact patch length on each tyre to get each contact patch the same rather than just guessing the pressure difference front and rear. Once you know the contact patch length needed for each terrain you can easily adjust it to suit your load. The one I saw was for a Cruiser but it will be different for different vehicles and different loads and different tyres. You'd have to do a bit of trail and error for your own vehicle but once you know the measurements it is a good method.

 

[Mickldo]

BTW, John. Empty your PM box so I can reply to your PM.

 

[whatcharterboat]

Doh, doh, Doh. Sorry, Mick. Done now.

 

[whatcharterboat]

Here are those same 19.5 " Hankook AM02's fitted to the vehicle. Did this today. Give you an idea of how they look on a SWB. This truck works in sand and was always getting bogged before. As far as I could tell the truck's suspension had never been touched. Our engineer came over and signed it off at the same time as the fitting. BTW our engineer is also registered in NSW which saves a lot of hassle. I know someone was worried about that before.

The first pic was with the original 16" Bridgestone's.

 

[alan]

Looks much better!

 

[whatcharterboat]

John,

Just to clarify, are you saying that the XZL 255/100R16 on stock wheels will also fit with the stock suspension?

From what I can tell, you cannot easily get the XZL's in the USA? How available are they in AU? And what do they typically sell for?

Thanks,

Leon

Leon I'll send you an email about this. Did you get the one I sent you about the 303 yesterday?

 

[alan]

This is the drawing of the canter 8" x 16" before production, I am open to any ideas.

 

[kerry]

Me to.

 

[alan]

Sorry, my mistake.

 

[alan]

Finally received a sample rim today, so I had to try it!

 

[whatcharterboat]

Alan, Who made these again? Very interested to know. We're going through the motions of getting wheels made overseas at the moment for the new 6 stud 4x4Canters and the new 4x4 Euro IV NPS Isuzu. We 're getting them fully ISO tested like the genuine rims. Apparantly the only ISO testing machine in Oz is owned by ROH and won't test anything bigger than a car rim. We are hoping to have them tested / rated way above what's needed for the 6 ton GVM.

Anyway, the rims will be cheap enough and the testing isn't too expensive but the brake test data for the FG140 and NPS on single rear wheels is really hefty. Last time we had to hire an airstrip in Maryborough for 3 days and flat spotted 2 sets of 20 inch offroad tyres at $750 each tyre and an engineer with all the fifth wheel and inertia telemetry gear (oh and the guy to follow us down the strip to keep an eye out for aircraft wanting to land). So it was a small fortune but with buses everything has to be done absolutely by the book.

You're lucky you're under the 4.5 ton because over that and the DoT guys can get very picky over the smallest things.

What was you truck used for before you bought it?

 

[alan]

Hi John,
I had the rim made by a company in China, it's taken months of emails and time and the shipping of standard rims to China to get this far, but I enjoy sourcing products from overseas, it is part of my business, so I am happy to help your Boss if he wishes to contact me.
I tried the rim on the back today and took some quick measurements, the difference between the front and back tracks is only maybe 2-4mm tops, so I am pretty happy with the results! and it looks great!

The Canter I originally bought of Ebay, and got ripped off, I was told it was in good condition no rust runs well etc, got it shipped to Victoria from Sydney and found it was full of rust, stress cracks in the cab, cracks in the chassis and rust between the chassis rail joints, I was not happy! so I could not decide what to do with it, then I discovered the bigger rims were so expensive, then I thought if I can get them made cheaper I would go ahead and start the project, so this is what is happening.

It was originally a service vehicle for a earthmoving company from what I can tell, it was well used and abused, the original heavy steel tray was rigidly u bolted to the chassis, which was not good for it, I have just purchased a really good second hand cab which also has air/con so thats a bonus, another fuel tank for the other side, and 2 electric winches 15,000Ib for the front and a 10,000Ib for the rear, at the moment I am removing all chassis rivets to dismantle chassis and carry out repairs, as Mitsubishi tell me they won't sell main chassis rail sections, only cross members.