BirchHill
goat farmer
You did in fact infer that. By saying that you needed a cdl for anything other then camry rated trails, infers that without cdl you are relegated to those camry trails.
D2 traction control VS CDL being locked
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BirchHill
goat farmer
They removed the CDl because it was thought to be redundant as stated in their own literature and BMW was losing money hand over fist so anything redundant was out. Consumer demand and the new owners Ford brought it back. On paper it all looks good but, in real life TC is not effective in certain situations. The experiment of traction control was a success and it was made better by reinstating the cdl. As I have said over and over TC and cdl is best but, TC by itself will get through 90% of what you run into.
Howski
Well-known member
This is the issue. What you run into isn't nearly as difficult what myself, and many friends with D2's, run into
BirchHill
goat farmer
Exactly, hence my assumption that you must spend an inordinate amount of time at the local mud park. Really, where are you getting into these extreme trails at ? In Florida is just flat sandy trails or evrglade style swampyness, hardly technical. And georgia is not much different unless your in the northern part.
BirchHill
goat farmer
The (shallow) depth of analysis here is frustrating.
Birch, can you comment on the durability of the LT230 when subjected to severe off road duty without the CDL locked?
The lt230 does just fine, its the failure rate of the front and back diffs that become a problem most of the time. They are the weak link before the transfer case. Showing a picture of an exploded part doesnt prove anything, there is not many parts on a land rover discovery that are not subject to that fate.
Howski
Well-known member
I mentioned moderate or more difficult trails. Trails I ran in the Appalachicola National Forest I traveled had water crossings, deep mud and big washouts. I'm not a big fan of the mud at all but a far cry from 'hardly technical'. Lately I have done most of my riding in North Georgia and also traveled to the Uwharrie National Forest in North Carolina this spring. Does that answer your question? I have also visited an off road park in eastern Alabama. That was not a 'mud park'. This is a 'mud park': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XryBkMx6jo
BirchHill
goat farmer
Good for you getting out there. But, you can no way assume without knowing me that I stick to gravel Forrest service roads and Im certainly not going to get into a comparo of who has driven at such and such place. And cut the camrys some slack they can get off the gravel to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJPbcG13Wmg
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roverrocks
Expedition Leader
Please pass the popcorn please!!! I'm hungry for more!!
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BirchHill
goat farmer
Another issue about not having a cdl and how that fits in with overlanding is that when out on extended trips one is more likely to avoid obstacles and use a bypass when available, then risk damage or getting stuck way out in the middle of no where. Those are some of the same decisions you make when out on the trail in a TC only land rover as well. The cdl is no silver bullet and you are likely to get stuck in some of the same places as a TC only equipped vehicle. Just here in my back yard around the farm I have been stuck numerous times in a cdl equipped vehicle with mud tires so, avoidance of obstacles is most often the wisest choice. A couple shots of stuck around on the farm. Okay its not a land rover but it has a cdl.
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Hmm, really? Overlanding is the argument you're going to use? What if you're stuck in the middle of nowhere and you have a failure in either the front or rear drivetrain. A locking CDL will let you still make it out and not leave you stranded. TC will just let your TCase spin and spin.
BirchHill
goat farmer
According to the way you apparently overland with your cdl, then you'll be in so deep into the wilderness and have already crossed impassible obstacles so, you wont be able to get out anyway with 2wd. Besides there are many more land rover quirks that are more likely to leave you stranded then drivetrain failure. (assuming that front shaft has been addressed.)
Ok...so you are going to cling to the "overlanding" argument now. What is the excuse for the exact same argument you were making on the other offroad land rover forums.
It is clear through your arguments that you have only ever seen relatively tame trails and your pictures seem to support that. I thought I had done some pretty tough stuff until I had a few fellow land rover owners introduce me to real offroading. I would love it if you would come up here to a big land rover event with your TC only disco. Maybe you will actually prove us all wrong, but just incase I will have my winch and tow strap to pull you out!
It is clear through your arguments that you have only ever seen relatively tame trails and your pictures seem to support that. I thought I had done some pretty tough stuff until I had a few fellow land rover owners introduce me to real offroading. I would love it if you would come up here to a big land rover event with your TC only disco. Maybe you will actually prove us all wrong, but just incase I will have my winch and tow strap to pull you out!
BirchHill
goat farmer
Those picture are not trails, that's just my back yard.