dcarr1971
Adventurer
x2 Come on out to Rovers on the Rocks or Conclave next fall.
D2 traction control VS CDL being locked
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x2 Come on out to Rovers on the Rocks or Conclave next fall.
BirchHill
goat farmer
What would that prove? Its not like the results would change minds on either side. Though it would be fun, its just not going to happen.
My offer was serious, I'm not trying to be a jerk. Marty "Drilbit" came up from Kentucky last year. You could caravan with him. It could prove to us disbelievers what properly functioning brakes can do to a TC system.
Really? That is the way you are going to go with this? I was trying to graciously end this conversation. It is clear you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Let me put it this way. I started out with a stock 2000 disco. I bought it because my girlfriend thought it was cool. It obviously had no cdl but it did have TC. I "wheeled" with that setup for a while. I thought I was doing some pretty serious stuff. I would go on some fire roads in the national forest near my house. When I would get "stuck" the TC light would come on and it would pull right through. Using the TC I was able to drive through 100% of the stuff I came across.
Then I went with a group of guys with some more experience. I was able to go on all of the trails. I did have to bypass a few of the harder obstacles because I saw more modified trucks than mine having trouble. I was able to make it over...lets say 90% of the stuff I came across. Eventually I got tired of taking the bypass so I put in the cdl linkage. I was amazed at what my truck was now capable of.
Then I went to rovers on the rocks. With my cdl equipped truck I was able to do a lot more, but now on the more difficult trails there were still things I had to bypass. I was able to do maybe ...90% of the trails.
After that I put on a lift with long travel shocks, armor, and recovery equipment. My truck was much more capable. I was now able to do all the trails I wasn't able to do before. As I drove with more capable trucks I was able to do even bigger and better trails. But guess what I still got stuck! I could probably do only 90% of what the other guys could do.
Now I have arb's front and rear and am currently in the process of getting 35's on my truck. I am sure I will walk right through the trails I used to get stuck on, but I am equally sure I will get stuck on at least 10% of the stuff I try.
Hopefully you are getting the point of what i am trying to say here. Just because TC gets you through 90% of the gravel roads you drive on, it doesn't mean it will get everyone through 90% of what they intend on driving over.
You have a very close minded view of what people do with their trucks. Justin posts a video showing how a cdl can help you over TC alone. For some reason you feel the need to tell everyone his video wasn't accurate because the braking system wasn't well maintained and he could have easily overcome the obstacle with a bit more speed.
That is the real reason I want you to come to one of the events. I would love for you to show us your exquisetly maintained braking system and TC. I would love to see how with a bit of momentum you can overcome most obstacles. I would love to see how it can take you through 90% of the stuff we drive through.
Haha exactly. Did you work for Land Rover from 1999-03? Justin's video is very accurate of how TC is unable to achieve the level of traction that CDL + TC can. There's a reason people lock diffs, it's just works better.
By the way to respond to your earlier "overlanding" comment. A couple months ago I was at an event in Connecticut, halfway through a trail one of the drivers felt something odd. Only to find this under his truck:
He was driving an 01 I believe, but he was smart enough to install a CDL linkage. He was able to make it out of the trail, stay the rest of the rally, and drive hours home without a front driveshaft.
And are you completely forgetting about the three amigos? One of the biggest problems to plague the DII? If you're unlockable and TC fails because of dirt on your abs sensor what are you going to do? 1 wheel it out?
Last fall I saw a friends D2 get stuck on a small uphill bump after a mudhole. TCS wasn't able to provide enough torque to the front to help out. It just spun the rears with the TCS frantically trying to figure out what to do. Towed him out. On a later trip, again on an uphill, the TCS system just failed. Had to get another truck to winch him out. Newer LR TCS systems are probably much smarter but the D2's TCS seems very rudimentary.
I had rated the TCS system on an unlocked D2 much higher, but seeing it actually perform was a huge letdown. Again, more modern ones are probably much better, but it's still proper locking diffs for me...
I had rated the TCS system on an unlocked D2 much higher, but seeing it actually perform was a huge letdown. Again, more modern ones are probably much better, but it's still proper locking diffs for me...
BirchHill
goat farmer
I appreciate you taking the time to lay out your off road progression but, it confirms what I suspected all along that you have a trail rig not an expo rig. This happens alot and before you know it your driving a full on rail buggy with no practicality to everyday life. There is always that urge to add one more off road improving part and were you stop in that process is were we differ. Not sure why you assume I only stay on gravel? You might be surprised on the views and places gravel roads can take you to. Obviously your into crawling over an obstacle more then getting out and exploring. Get out of the mud hole and give a gravel road a try.
BirchHill
goat farmer
Great argument. You do realize if you break a driveshaft and lock the cdl so you still have power going to one axle you will still be 1 wheeling? Unless you have an arb in that pumkin. Also, your as likely to blow a headgasket as get the 3 amigos so, should you really drive a discovery any were?Haha exactly. Did you work for Land Rover from 1999-03? Justin's video is very accurate of how TC is unable to achieve the level of traction that CDL + TC can. There's a reason people lock diffs, it's just works better.
By the way to respond to your earlier "overlanding" comment. A couple months ago I was at an event in Connecticut, halfway through a trail one of the drivers felt something odd. Only to find this under his truck:
He was driving an 01 I believe, but he was smart enough to install a CDL linkage. He was able to make it out of the trail, stay the rest of the rally, and drive hours home without a front driveshaft.
And are you completely forgetting about the three amigos? One of the biggest problems to plague the DII? If you're unlockable and TC fails because of dirt on your abs sensor what are you going to do? 1 wheel it out?
So you are still clinging to the expo argument now? What is your reasoning for making the exact argument on other non-expo forums?
BirchHill
goat farmer
I posted the same thing to Justin thread on LRO but, take a minute and look its in a technical forum not an off road forum.
BirchHill
goat farmer
This is very true but, these guys would be so deep into the wilderness that anything other than a fully functioning 4wd system would leave them stranded. They are just way more hardcore off roaders then me.
BirchHill
goat farmer
An interesting component to this argument is the only people who are against TC only being able to handle most situations, are those who have already spent a fortune on converting to a cdl like Rnphoto who has $500 plus just in the shifter and those who have an 04 model and have never truly tried the capabilities of TC only because they lock it down as soon as they get ino the tuff stuff.