D2 traction control VS CDL being locked

[BirchHill]

It really comes down to what you actually do with the truck vs what you think you do. I would say 90% of the places people actually take there discoveries, the TC system is more then capable of handling. If you really know how to utilize the system and drive it will go anywhere you want it to. It just not as smooth or cool as being able to "lock" something as you traverse the local "death road". Most overlanding could well be handled by a 2wd toyota pickup and a little speed.

 

[LR Max]

Birchhill, I'm not going to lie, the DII's TC system is kind of a joke. It's nothing like the LR3/LR4. There's a reason I just spent gobs of money to put a new T-case and ashcroft CDL in my Disco, the CDL is incredibly important.

On a side note to Justin, on LRForums someone mentioned that their mechanic said using TC and CDL would blow their t-case up. I have never heard such a thing, have you witnessed this?

I've witnessed a D2 with CDL and TC both engaged. That was in 2006, the truck as of yesterday hasn't blown up. In fact it is in normal land rover mode: driving and leaking.

I kinda echo what others have said. I've seen TC on the D2s perform fairly well. Such that it *should* have dragged that truck up the climb.

Then again I'm driving a locked series so I'm spoiled.

 

[frank84]

On a side note to Justin, on LRForums someone mentioned that their mechanic said using TC and CDL would blow their t-case up. I have never heard such a thing, have you witnessed this?

I know I'm not Justin, but I spent many years wheeling with my dad's CDL equipped '99 DII and still do on occasion. When I hooked up the CDL back in about 2001, I had a LR mechanic tell me the same thing. 12 years later and no blown case and it is still working perfectly with 325k miles on it (the tcase that is). In the snow (off road), sand, or other very loose terrain I found it best to pull the fuse on the TC. CDL+TC worked well for short distances in cross axle type situations or going over rocks. But it tended to bog the truck down when on loose ground for a long period of time. The same thing seemed to happen with an LR3 in the snow (off road), however, changing from snow to sand mode made a big difference by allowing for more wheel spin - really the best would just be an off button for TC and a driver button for the lockers in some situations. But that is just my opinion.

 

[Fivespddisco]

On a side note to Justin, on LRForums someone mentioned that their mechanic said using TC and CDL would blow their t-case up. I have never heard such a thing, have you witnessed this?

This sounds wrong to me.
Thinking about it the 04 had a locking Tcase and traction control. In my opinion the trash control would probably help save the differentials. The traction control would slow down a spinning wheel before it grabbed traction and shock loaded the spider gears.

 

[Fivespddisco]

really the best would just be an off button for TC and a driver button for the lockers in some situations. But that is just my opinion.

I saw a prototype of this when I went to visit the boys at Terrafirma. I wonder whatever became of it it was a great idea

 

[BirchHill]

Here is another video comparing TC system to cdl equipped vehicles. Its a minute or two in past the freelander there is a comparison of landrovers on an axle twister obstacle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wen5cFMjlD8

 

[Fivespddisco]

Here is another video comparing TC system to cdl equipped vehicles. Its a minute or two in past the freelander there is a comparison of landrovers on an axle twister obstacle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wen5cFMjlD8

What time in the video?

 

[bmxer06pa]

Here is another video comparing TC system to cdl equipped vehicles. Its a minute or two in past the freelander there is a comparison of landrovers on an axle twister obstacle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wen5cFMjlD8

What are you trying to prove? That traction control is better than a cdl? What makes you think those vehicles with traction control in that video don't have a cdl?

 

[Fivespddisco]

Look at how hard the D2 had to work at 3:40 to 3:45.
Now keep in mind this was on a design course to show off the traction control. All the whoopi doos were on level ground.
I have never seen a Land Rover design course where they transfer all the weight to the rear of the truck and put one of the front tires up in the air like we did an our video.

Don't get me wrong traction control is an excellent asset to the D2, but it is a night and day comparison to having a CDL.
Take a look at what little effort was necessary for Eli to climb the hill once the CDL was engaged. He did not need a running start he did not have to risk damaging the truck in anyway and best of all he did not have to wait for the computer to tell him it was okay. He just drove up the hill in complete and utter control.
In both of your videos the trucks are bucking back-and-forth before they finally bounce over the obstacle. What way do you think is better?

 

[BirchHill]

What are you trying to prove? That traction control is better than a cdl? What makes you think those vehicles with traction control in that video don't have a cdl?

Its obvious in the video which vehicles have traction control only.

 

[BirchHill]

Look at how hard the D2 had to work at 3:40 to 3:45.
Now keep in mind this was on design course to show off the traction control. All the whoopi doos were on level ground.
I have never seen a Land Rover design course where they transfer all the way to the rear of the truck and put one of the front tires up in the air.

Dont get me wrong traction control is an excellent asset to the D2, but it is a night and day comparison to having a CDL.
Take a look at what little effort was necessary for Eli to climb the hill once the CDL was engaged. He did not need a running start he did not have to risk damaging the truck in anyway and best of all he did not have to wait for the computer to tell him it was okay. He just drove up the hill in complete and utter control.
In both of your videos the trucks are bucking back-and-forth before they finally bounce over the obstacle. What way do you think is better?

So, now the axle twisters are rigged in some land rover conspiracy to make their TC look better? I think the traction control is adequate for 90% of what people subject there vehicle to. Sure a cdl is better so where do you stop with that line of thought? Lockers front and back would be even smoother and no computers to boss anyone around either. While your at it throw on a lift, some mudders and a roof rack to hold all that extra gear you need. I get that you need to sell parts but, that video did not accurately portray traction control. The point is TC will get the job done when used correctly, is it better then a cdl? no as i have said several times.

 

[Fivespddisco]

So, now the axle twisters are rigged in some land rover conspiracy to make their TC look better?

You're joking right? So Land Rover sends a team of people out a week and a half in advance of Overland Expo to stare at the desert? The obstacle courses are designed to highlight the benefit of traction control.

I knew this was a hot button topic when I posted the video and I welcome your comments, and input. Please believe me when I tell you you that Eli really tried to climb that rock using only traction control and it did not happen.

 

[bmxer06pa]

I think the traction control is adequate for 90% of what people subject there vehicle to. Sure a cdl is better so where do you stop with that line of thought?.

90% of people don't take their truck off road, but this isn't a daily driving forum. This and other forums you post on are for overlandIng and off-roading. For 90% of this audience I would say that TC isn't enough. It might get you over a 4 foot hill next to a road, but it wouldn't even get me to the trail at many of the places I go.

 

[BirchHill]

You're joking right? So Land Rover sends a team of people out a week and a half in advance of Overland Expo to stare at the desert? The obstacle courses are designed to highlight the benefit of traction control.

I knew this was a hot button topic when I posted the video and I welcome your comments, and input. Please believe me when I tell you you that Eli really tried to climb that rock using only traction control and it did not happen.

Obstacles courses are designed to mimic the worse situations that one might encounter in an off road setting. It so happens that this is were Traction control shines and as you said they highlight the benefits of traction control. Just because your friend Eli could not get up a particular hill doesnt mean that your video was an accurate portrayal of traction control.

 

[LR Max]

I saw a prototype of this when I went to visit the boys at Terrafirma. I wonder whatever became of it it was a great idea

In a LR3 or RRS? That would be clutch. I like traction control and computer aided whatever ya call it, but sometimes I just want to drive the truck. Lock the center diff, lock the rear diff, and I'll drive the truck. Not the computer. Would be nice on hill climbs and going over muddy rocks.