Defender 110; vs Range Rover classic

[REDROVER]

Gentleman whats the deference between those 2? Besides the shape frame is the same. suspension. Is the same. nas defender's. Even have the same motor and transmission also.

I wanna get one but i cant justify the price. I know they r expencive in usa only because they r so limited. In europe i can get them very cheap.

Does the look worth to pay that much? Unless its superior vs my RRC

ERIC

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

I'd say if you have to ask then no it probably wouldn't be worth it for you

 

[Rovertrader]

Eric, it depends if you want all the electric gismos like windows, s/r's, etc to contend with on the RRc and be extremely comfortable. Or pay 10x as much for leaks, drafts, insufficient heat and a/c not to mention total lack of ergonomics to have the rarity of a NAS 110. I have had both, but still love the Defenders for some reason, and knowing your affinity with the H-1, you may too. They do remind me of each other a bit, but my H1 was way more comfortable...

 

[REDROVER]

Eric, it depends if you want all the electric gismos like windows, s/r's, etc to contend with on the RRc and be extremely comfortable. Or pay 10x as much for leaks, drafts, insufficient heat and a/c not to mention total lack of ergonomics to have the rarity of a NAS 110. I have had both, but still love the Defenders for some reason, and knowing your affinity with the H-1, you may too. They do remind me of each other a bit, but my H1 was way more comfortable...

I never driven defender.i wont know about confort level on it. Is it more offroad capable than rrc? If defender has 50% confort as my rrc. Then it may be just ok.
So in other words the nas 110 is not worth as much unless i want it as a colector truck. Because i am gonna use it. Its the looks i think that atracts me

Eric

 

[LtFuzz]

Eric with your tech/fabbing skills, you could import a tired old 110 from England relatively inexpensively (~$10k-$15k) and then polish it up. It'll be RHD, though, and I heard the parts to convert it to LHD are getting very rare/expensive.

The NAS 110s have got to be one of the most ridiculously overvalued vehicles out there. A friend of mine drives an NAS 110 that's a total beater and it could still pull $25-28k easily. I think the prices are going to fall through the floor pretty soon when we're finally allowed to import "modern" Defenders...

 

[REDROVER]

Eric with your tech/fabbing skills, you could import a tired old 110 from England relatively inexpensively (~$10k-$15k) and then polish it up. It'll be RHD, though, and I heard the parts to convert it to LHD are getting very rare/expensive.

The NAS 110s have got to be one of the most ridiculously overvalued vehicles out there. A friend of mine drives an NAS 110 that's a total beater and it could still pull $25-28k easily. I think the prices are going to fall through the floor pretty soon when we're finally allowed to import "modern" Defenders...

I am.totally thinking the same. What year 110 can i import? Since the frame is the same rrc left hand drive may work. But even if not thays no problem.i have a friend in Belgium who may find me one left hand drive

 

[LtFuzz]

I am.totally thinking the same. What year 110 can i import? Since the frame is the same rrc left hand drive may work. But even if not thays no problem.i have a friend in Belgium who may find me one left hand drive

I dunno what year group Customs uses, but 2012 minus 25 years would put you at 1987.... and it wasn't officially the "Defender" yet, just "LR 110". I think they even labelled it "One Ten", correct me if I'm wrong.

In a few more years we'll be able to finally import the [official] Defender 110 when the 1990 year group is available. It'll have the 200tdi. That's when I'll start looking. Hold out a few years more and you can get the '94 with the 300tdi.

 

[Rovertrader]

I have wheeled both, a lot, and there are many that prefer the RRC, especially the CT participants. The one advantage to the 110 for you would be conversion to your H-I motor keeping spares consistent, but Felix can adds that better as I have not owned such.

 

[ShearPin]

110 vs. Range Rover Classic

To echo previous posts - the Range Rover was designed as a comfortable people hauler. The defender range has always been the utility/work vehicle. The lines got blurred when the 110 was imported to North America. We got the County spec with a few more bells and whistles.

Underneath the frames are not identical. The 110 is engineered to carry a heavier payload, with the most obvious additions being the salisbury rear axle (Dana 60) and larger diameter rear springs to accomplish its role as a load hauler. The defender also utilizes the LT230 transfer case.

Off-road with your average weekend load I would argue the Ranger Rover's suspension is more flexible and would get you to the same places more comfortably and with a little less drama. The automatic transmission in the Range Rover would also make the journey less taxing. Other then spring rate the Salisbury rear diff on the 110 is large - it will provide more drag in soft mud/sand then the Range Rover which shares is differential dimensions with the standard front Rover differential.

Regarding interior space - the 110's occupants are pushed as far forward in the vehicle as possible with little regard for comfort. The result is a large load space in the rear. The rear door can be limiting for loading wide gear and the full length wheel arches result in a longitudinally oriented load space. Your gear will tend to get slid forward meaning it can be less accessible.

The Range Rover has more occupant interior space and the tailgate makes gear more easily accessible and generally oriented using the width of the vehicle and stacked higher (my experience).

There is always the aesthetic appeal when it comes to purchasing a vehicle. I would probably have been better served by a Range Rover but the appeal of the 110 station wagon appearance and mystic won over.

Just some thoughts...

Henry

 

[overlander]

... but my H1 was way more comfortable...

Dale, I can't imagine how you can make that statement! Having a 110 myself, and being in the military with a bujillion miles in military HMMWV's, I have a spent a good many of those miles wishing I was in my 110, and recalling how much more comfortable those washboard roads would be in it. I have never ridden in a civilian H1, but my understanding is they are almost exactly like the military ones with the exception being some interior refinement. Way louder than a 110 and bone jarring due to their extremely stiff suspension.

 

[REDROVER]

Dale, I can't imagine how you can make that statement! Having a 110 myself, and being in the military with a bujillion miles in military HMMWV's, I have a spent a good many of those miles wishing I was in my 110, and recalling how much more comfortable thohse washboard roads would be in it. LI have never ridden in a civilian H1, but my understanding is they are almost exactly like the military ones with the exception being some interior refinement. Way louder than a 110 and bone jarring due to their extremely stiff suspension.

Yes civilian HUMMER H1 IS exactly the same as military humvee .but has much more comfortable seats( made in germany it says on mine.i checked on line its from city bus amazing comfortable ) and sound proofing.driven many other trucks i think it is one of the most comfortable 4x4 but nothing close by to classic range rover. I havent been in defender so i cant say
If H1 is softer than defender but i would assume they would be the same since they are made to take loads

So i am looking for one.to import should i get one with 300d or 20o i have no idea about land rover diesels. Or get one that needs

new 6.2 turbo diesel? Body work is no problem at all. Whay about 130?to long?

 

[Nonimouse]

I love my 110 but if I lived in a country that had low to zero rust RRC's and cheap fuel, it would be an RRC every day

 

[Rovertrader]

Mark, I guess the ergonomics is more what I am referring as I fit much better in the H1. Noise, about the same, but the ride of the H1 was better to me. I drove mine to Az and up and down the east coast a bunch- it felt much less choppy.

There are many arguments concerning 200/300, but the 300 is the later evolvement and quite robust for longevity, though a bit anemic- especially in a 130!! Mark has the 2.8 and can address it better than most anyone. Felix has the 6.2, and yes it fits as dimensionally not much bigger than the Rover V-8.

You really need to at least drive/sit in them all. Even the 130 has a couple less inches in the back seat than the 110s as the frame and resultant floor area changes. The above analysis about space/storage configuration is pretty spot on, as well as the axle/suspension differences. The 130 rides much better than a 110 as the rear springs are the same, but wheelbase increases 20". Downside for the 130 is maneuverability on tight trails, though climbing ability is enhanced. Always trade offs...

 

[REDROVER]

Mark, I guess the ergonomics is more what I am referring as I fit much better in the H1. Noise, about the same, but the ride of the H1 was better to me. I drove mine to Az and up and down the east coast a bunch- it felt much less choppy.

There are many arguments concerning 200/300, but the 300 is the later evolvement and quite robust for longevity, though a bit anemic- especially in a 130!! Mark has the 2.8 and can address it better than most anyone. Felix has the 6.2, and yes it fits as dimensionally not much bigger than the Rover V-8.

You really need to at least drive/sit in them all. Even the 130 has a couple less inches in the back seat than the 110s as the frame and resultant floor area changes. The above analysis about space/storage configuration is pretty spot on, as well as the axle/suspension differences. The 130 rides much better than a 110 as the rear springs are the same, but wheelbase increases 20". Downside for the 130 is maneuverability on tight trails, though climbing ability is enhanced. Always trade offs...

I spoke with an owner last night in england he wants 4700 British for it its 87 red new motor stick shift. I forgot to ask if its 300 or 200 with shipping and papers i should be under 10 grand .not bad huh?

 

[REDROVER]

Does the 87 model come with coil springs front and rear?