Being a Porsche fan you either love or hate the Cayenne, but man, a turbo diesel Porsche to hit the roads less travelled sounds mighty nice :coffeedrink: .
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Being a Porsche fan you either love or hate the Cayenne, but man, a turbo diesel Porsche to hit the roads less travelled sounds mighty nice :coffeedrink: .
Just weeks after saying its light diesel program was still on track, General Motors announced that it's postponing the introduction of the 4.5L V8 turbodiesel indefinitely. Instead of diesel, GM seems to be pushing gas/electric hybrid technology for SUVs and light pickups.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/0...-45liter-duramax-lightduty-diesel-engine.html
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/0...-45liter-duramax-lightduty-diesel-engine.html
t0mills
Adventurer
Sadly, that's not surprising.
GM, mark this in your books as one of the many reasons you are doomed to fail.
Here's a useful article that describes how urea-injection will work to reduce NOx emissions in Dodge chassis/cabs with diesel engines. The "diesel exhaust fluid" tank will need to be filled every 4000 miles or so.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/0...reviews-nox-reduction-solutions-for-2010.html
Dodge's diesel pickups will continue to use an expensive catalytic converter rather than the urea injection.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/0...reviews-nox-reduction-solutions-for-2010.html
Dodge's diesel pickups will continue to use an expensive catalytic converter rather than the urea injection.
charlieaarons
Explorer
I predicted GM's eventual failure 29 years ago when they sold their POS 5.7L diesel made out of a gasoline small block V8. I told my dad (now deceased) "that company's going bankrupt - sell your stock".
Charlie
boblynch
Adventurer
Can someone say crate motor?
Are they nuts? It's reported to be 50 state legal which implies it will meet the uber-expensive EPA approval process. GM must be getting bailout money to go under on purpose.
I understand they want to unload the gas/hybrid stuff and are reluctant to build any new vehicles since they have too much inventory sitting on lots.
Why not offer it as a crate motor? It's the same size as the small block 350. Imagine how many existing Silverados, Tahoes, Suburbans, and passenger cars that might be able to upgrade their mileage and extend their useful life.
Why not offer a tax credit for buying the crate motor? It's more eco friendly to recycle an existing vehicle than build a brand new vehicle with batteries.
Are they nuts? It's reported to be 50 state legal which implies it will meet the uber-expensive EPA approval process. GM must be getting bailout money to go under on purpose.
I understand they want to unload the gas/hybrid stuff and are reluctant to build any new vehicles since they have too much inventory sitting on lots.
Why not offer it as a crate motor? It's the same size as the small block 350. Imagine how many existing Silverados, Tahoes, Suburbans, and passenger cars that might be able to upgrade their mileage and extend their useful life.
Why not offer a tax credit for buying the crate motor? It's more eco friendly to recycle an existing vehicle than build a brand new vehicle with batteries.
A Dutch company is planning to offer a diesel-powered motorcycle.
Discussion here
http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=361369
Discussion here
http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=361369
cruiser guy
Explorer
As much as that makes sense, that is exactly what GM does NOT want to have happen. They want you to keep buying their junk, not extend the life of their junk.
The list of companies dropping diesel from their USA lineup now includes Honda.
Honda sells a 2.2L turbodiesel 4 cylinder in the hyper-competitive car market in Europe, and they had announced that the Acura TSX sedan would have this engine as an option in 2010. This plan was delayed last Fall, and now appears to be dead.
Honda also talked about using diesel power in its larger vehicles, but now they have decided to concentrate on gas-electric hybrid engines. So no diesel-powered Odyssey vans, too bad!
I think the wild fluctuations of price for diesel fuel in 2008 really frightened car company planners. They decided it would be safer to concentrate on hybrid gas-electric models.
Chip Haven
Honda sells a 2.2L turbodiesel 4 cylinder in the hyper-competitive car market in Europe, and they had announced that the Acura TSX sedan would have this engine as an option in 2010. This plan was delayed last Fall, and now appears to be dead.
Honda also talked about using diesel power in its larger vehicles, but now they have decided to concentrate on gas-electric hybrid engines. So no diesel-powered Odyssey vans, too bad!
I think the wild fluctuations of price for diesel fuel in 2008 really frightened car company planners. They decided it would be safer to concentrate on hybrid gas-electric models.
Chip Haven
Redline
Likes to Drive and Ride
That is very unfortunate news. We were seriously considering a new Honda cross-over SUV from Honda with a diesel when/if they made one for the USA.
Instead, within the next couple years we will likely keep our 2000 Golf TDI (super economy car) and purchase a Toyota or Honda truck or SUV with a gasoline engine.
Instead, within the next couple years we will likely keep our 2000 Golf TDI (super economy car) and purchase a Toyota or Honda truck or SUV with a gasoline engine.
While the Japanese and American manufacturers are in full retreat from diesel engines, the German car companies continue to offer diesel engines in some USA models. Today, VW offers the Jetta with 4 cylinder 2.0L turbodiesel. Audi is selling its large SUV, the Q7, with a 3.0L V6 diesel that produces 406 ft-lbs of torque. Mercedes sells a 3.0L V6 diesel in its SUVs and E-Class sedans. And BMW 3-series and X5 are available with a 3.0L straight 6 diesel with twin turbos. This engine produces 425 ft-lbs of torque and is rated at 36 mpg on the EPA highway test.
[edit: that 36 mpg number is for the 3.0L diesel in the 3-series sedan, which is lighter and more aerodynamic than the X5. The X5 also has all wheel drive, while the sedan is rear drive. The X5 diesel is rated to produce 26 mpg highway.]
At this month's New York Auto Show, Mercedes is showing a 2.2L four cylinder tubodiesel in an E-Class sedan. The 2.2L engine produces 360 ft-lbs of torque, and a 7 speed automatic delivers the power seamlessly. Mercedes says a car like this would get about 40 mpg in the EPA highway test. Since this test is proving to be conservative, I'd expect close to 40 mpg in combined city/highway driving.
Mercedes did not announce plans to import the 2.2L diesel to USA. It would be a great fit for Mercedes' small SUV, the GLK, as well as all the C-class and E-class models.
Chip Haven
[edit: that 36 mpg number is for the 3.0L diesel in the 3-series sedan, which is lighter and more aerodynamic than the X5. The X5 also has all wheel drive, while the sedan is rear drive. The X5 diesel is rated to produce 26 mpg highway.]
At this month's New York Auto Show, Mercedes is showing a 2.2L four cylinder tubodiesel in an E-Class sedan. The 2.2L engine produces 360 ft-lbs of torque, and a 7 speed automatic delivers the power seamlessly. Mercedes says a car like this would get about 40 mpg in the EPA highway test. Since this test is proving to be conservative, I'd expect close to 40 mpg in combined city/highway driving.
Mercedes did not announce plans to import the 2.2L diesel to USA. It would be a great fit for Mercedes' small SUV, the GLK, as well as all the C-class and E-class models.
Chip Haven
ox4mag
Explorer
In case y'all haven't seen this post, thought y'all might be interested since the 2.8L VM Motori diesel is going to be an option:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25780
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25780
charlieaarons
Explorer
I can testify that BMW's 3.0L twin turbo diesel in the 5200 lb X5 accelerates like a rocket and gets 21mpg in city driving on #1 fuel; should do 22-23 in city driving on heavier summer fuel, in warmer temperatures.
Charlie
Charlie
A few more BMW diesel notes:
Autoweek tested the 3-Series with 6 cylinder diesel. They recorded 32 mpg while driving pedal-to-the-metal, making no attempt to conserve fuel. The report is here
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/10/review-2009-bmw-335d-proves-efficient-dynamics-is-more-entert/
BMW announced that the X3 SUV will be available in Europe with a 4 cylinder diesel soon. The vehicle will be named the X3 XDrive 18d (even though the engine is 2.0L). The engine produces 258 ft-lbs of torque, and is rated to produce 38 mpg in the European combined test. No word on availability of the 2.0L diesel in North America, but if Mercedes brings its new diesel 2.2L four to USA then I expect BMW to follow. The four cylinder diesel could appear in the X3 and the 1-Series.
There's some talk of modifying BMW's 2.0L diesel for use in the front-drive MINI. In Europe today, the MINI (which is a corporate subsidiary of BMW) uses a diesel engine manufactured by Citroen/Peugeot.
Last, there's a rumor that BMW is working on a three turbo system for the 3.0L straight 6 diesel. The extra turbo will boost torque from 425 to somewhere near 500 ft-lbs. That's more torque than you find in BMW's M sedans today.
Chip Haven
Autoweek tested the 3-Series with 6 cylinder diesel. They recorded 32 mpg while driving pedal-to-the-metal, making no attempt to conserve fuel. The report is here
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/10/review-2009-bmw-335d-proves-efficient-dynamics-is-more-entert/
BMW announced that the X3 SUV will be available in Europe with a 4 cylinder diesel soon. The vehicle will be named the X3 XDrive 18d (even though the engine is 2.0L). The engine produces 258 ft-lbs of torque, and is rated to produce 38 mpg in the European combined test. No word on availability of the 2.0L diesel in North America, but if Mercedes brings its new diesel 2.2L four to USA then I expect BMW to follow. The four cylinder diesel could appear in the X3 and the 1-Series.
There's some talk of modifying BMW's 2.0L diesel for use in the front-drive MINI. In Europe today, the MINI (which is a corporate subsidiary of BMW) uses a diesel engine manufactured by Citroen/Peugeot.
Last, there's a rumor that BMW is working on a three turbo system for the 3.0L straight 6 diesel. The extra turbo will boost torque from 425 to somewhere near 500 ft-lbs. That's more torque than you find in BMW's M sedans today.
Chip Haven
dieselcruiserhead
16 Years on ExPo. Whoa!!
Chip's thread gets a vote of 5 stars from me personally 