Dilemma deciding what to get

REDrum

Aventurero de la Selva
A good condition 95 to 97 FZJ80 with factory F/R/C lockers will run you about $10 to 12K. (IMO 93 and 94 are odd ball years, I know I own one...)

The 3FE 91 and 92 FJ80s are durable but wicked slow when loaded up, like Series 2A 109 Land Rover slow...

A D2 is iconic, very comfy, has decent power, great suspension articulation, but IIRC not all came with LCD.

The sweet spot of comfort and performance would be a 98 or 99 UZJ100, they can be had for <$10K now. And, all come with factory rear and center locking diffs, and V8, and heated seats, and very good stereo, and rear cargo area power for fridge......
 

luk4mud

Explorer
When even the LR owners tell you to stay away, you know which one to buy. I am not a brand basher at all. My eyes get tickled by the lines and capabilities of all sorts of rigs and brands. But in the end, I end up with a Toyota because of one thing- it has never left me stranded. Not maintenance free, not cheap to buy, in some cases not the most capable. But always reliable if maintained.
 

REDrum

Aventurero de la Selva
When even the LR owners tell you to stay away, you know which one to buy. I am not a brand basher at all. My eyes get tickled by the lines and capabilities of all sorts of rigs and brands. But in the end, I end up with a Toyota because of one thing- it has never left me stranded. Not maintenance free, not cheap to buy, in some cases not the most capable. But always reliable if maintained.

Pure gold!
 

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
The sweet spot of comfort and performance would be a 98 or 99 UZJ100, they can be had for <$10K now. And, all come with factory rear and center locking diffs.

Are you sure that ALL of the '98 and '99s came with a rear locker? When I was shopping, I'm pretty sure I saw some without the magic dial. But you're right otherwise. 100s are the new 80!
 

REDrum

Aventurero de la Selva
Are you sure that ALL of the '98 and '99s came with a rear locker? When I was shopping, I'm pretty sure I saw some without the magic dial

When I was looking in US both model years I explored had magic dial on dash. I looked at over a dozen but certainly not all in US. Some USDM 80s did come as "poverty package" version: cloth, no sun roof, no lockers, fixed rear 1/4 glass, and no 3rd row -- no doubt some USDM 100s could have come thru at that price point too. I have seen (2) '98s w/o lockers but they were in Costa Rica and both were manual and poverty package trim ROW models, one had ambi doors too
 

XJLI

Adventurer
When even the LR owners tell you to stay away, you know which one to buy. I am not a brand basher at all. My eyes get tickled by the lines and capabilities of all sorts of rigs and brands. But in the end, I end up with a Toyota because of one thing- it has never left me stranded. Not maintenance free, not cheap to buy, in some cases not the most capable. But always reliable if maintained.

It keeps the trucks cheap. I love cruisers (and was cross shopping LC80s before I got my Disco) but you guys are crazy people paying $10k for 20 year old trucks with 200k miles on them... I don't care how reliable they are. I got my one-owner dealer maintained D1 for $2200 with 118k and I'm about half way to a LC80 including maintenance+upgrades and a brand new set of 5 tires.
 

silver60th

New member
Saw you mentioned Dallas/DFW; I just bought my 100 series in this area. They are hard to find, but typically cleaner than the 80 series I have seen for sale locally. There is a small father/son outfit in Ft. Worth that only sells 100's...let me know if you want their info. I bought mine from them several weeks back: 2000 w/125k on the clock. Clean as a whistle!
 

RotorHead04

Observer
Saw you mentioned Dallas/DFW; I just bought my 100 series in this area. They are hard to find, but typically cleaner than the 80 series I have seen for sale locally. There is a small father/son outfit in Ft. Worth that only sells 100's...let me know if you want their info. I bought mine from them several weeks back: 2000 w/125k on the clock. Clean as a whistle!

Silver60th - Was the one you bought blue??? I called a father/son team in Ft. Worth about a blue one that had just sold (back in early Dec?)! They had a champegne colored one that I looked at, but decided to pass on. Either way I just bought a 2000 LC in white. I go pick it up in 1 week. I can't wait!

To answer Lemonlites original question. I seriously started looking for a good adventure 4x4 almost two years ago. I at one point or a another considered a: Tacoma, 4runner, Xterra, Disco II, LR3, 80 and 100 series LC's. After doing all my homework I decided for comfort, capability, and reliability I would go with the 100 LC. I have been bombing around the backroads of the mountain west in a full size dually F-350. It works great as long as I plow thru every tree, hiker, mountain, and small (or large) animal on the tiny forest roads. After the last trip the wife told me it was time for something better equipped for our adventure needs. Thus began the search for my perfect truck.
 

zimm

Expedition Leader
the 98 and 99's have the 2 pinion front. since a regear for 35's would always be on my list, id sooner go for the 2003+ for all the mid model updates. i see the rear locker as a red herring, serving only to distract from the desired end result and falsely inflating the price with the word "locker".
 

RMP&O

Expedition Leader
It keeps the trucks cheap. I love cruisers (and was cross shopping LC80s before I got my Disco) but you guys are crazy people paying $10k for 20 year old trucks with 200k miles on them... I don't care how reliable they are. I got my one-owner dealer maintained D1 for $2200 with 118k and I'm about half way to a LC80 including maintenance+upgrades and a brand new set of 5 tires.

Why are the LR guys over here raving about their Rovers!? Don't think you see many Cruiser guys in the Rover section raving about our Cruisers. I could be wrong, I never go to the Rover section! :p

Rovers are juuuuuunk! Read read read and you will see I am not making that up. Crappy electricals, weak axles, weak motors and on and on. Only good thing in them is the t-case. And I am sorry but you guys are tripping that your Disco will walk all over an 80 series on and off road. All the 80 needs is f&r lockers and 2" of lift plus 35's to walk all over just about anything else out there besides say a Rubicon. Considering you can find them with factory lockers, 2" lift costs under $1000 and 35's can be had for another $1-2k there is nothing else out of the box from the 1990's that even compares. You guys are sitting here trying to compare a 2004 Disco to a 95 Cruiser!? Nearly a 10yr difference, try comparing the Disco to the 100, oh wait, no comparison. 80's handle awesome on pavement, albeit a bit slow. Stand next to a Disco and an 80, compare them. The 80 rocks the Disco with bigger and better axles, a much stronger trans, bigger and better suspension components, it is night and day really. I mean really, the 80 has a 9.5" rear axle that is FF with 30 splines. Front is 8" with big HUGE birfields. Compared to what 10 coarse and 24 fine spline in a Rover? The control arms and links are much beefier than a Rover as are the coil springs. Frame on the 80 is way beefy and very well made plus very well rust proofed. I seen many an 80 frame still holding it's factory paint, inside and out. Like I say they just don't compare.

Yup seats my be trashed after 25+yrs. Guess what!? All new leather kits can be had for about $1,000.

My buddy just picked up a super clean 96 LX in SoCal for $4k. No lockers but 175k on the clock, Slee sliders and short bus bumper, 33's, did I mention it is super clean!? We are dropping a GM v8 in it, our budget is $10k. So all up he will be roughly $15k into it which sounds not far from these posts about the Disco that cost $2k plus $8k in work. But the 80/LX with a v8 is 10x the truck any day of the week.

IMHO, the Rovers are on par with the Ford Exploder in terms of quality and longevity. Hell I might even give that one to the Exploder!

And as far as the 100 goes price wise. I spent a month looking at dozens of 100s in the west. Price was $7-15k depending on mileage and condition. $7k one was a 99 with nearly 200k on the clock and the $15k one was a 99 too but it had only 85k on the clock. Both had the rear locker. Mine is a 2000 with 125k on it, no locker but very clean, I paid $11.5k. This was a $60k truck new, just 16yrs ago. I have a 2001 2500HD Chevy pickup I bought new. Granted it is a work truck but it is way more trashed than the 100 I recently bought. Bottom line, The Cruiser was/is the top of the line Toyota 4wd and it shows in the quality of the trucks.

Cheers
 
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REDrum

Aventurero de la Selva
Why are the LR guys over here raving about their Rovers!? Don't think you see many Cruiser guys in the Rover section raving about our Cruisers. I could be wrong
Proudly raises hand, very guilty of heckling Defender owners on D90 Forum. And for all the right reasons :)



Rovers are juuuuuunk! Read read read and you will see I am not making that up. Crappy electricals, weak axles, weak motors and on and on. Only good thing in them is the t-case. And I am sorry but you guys are tripping that your Disco will walk all over an 80 series on and off road. All the 80 needs is f&r lockers and 2" of lift plus 35's to walk all over just about anything else out there besides say a Rubicon. Considering you can find them with factory lockers, 2" lift costs under $1000 and 35's can be had for another $1-2k there is nothing else out of the box from the 1990's that even compares. You guys are sitting here trying to compare a 2004 Disco to a 95 Cruiser!? Nearly a 10yr difference, try comparing the Disco to the 100, oh wait, no comparison. 80's handle awesome on pavement, albeit a bit slow. Stand next to a Disco and an 80, compare them. The 80 rocks the Disco with bigger and better axles, a much stronger trans, bigger and better suspension components, it is night and day really. I mean really, the 80 has a 9.5" rear axle that is FF with 30 splines. Front is 8" with big HUGE birfields. Compared to what 10 coarse and 24 fine spline in a Rover? The control arms and links are much beefier than a Rover as are the coil springs. Frame on the 80 is way beefy and very well made plus very well rust proofed. I seen many an 80 frame still holding it's factory paint, inside and out. Like I say they just don't compare
Best rant I've read in a long time, thank you :)
 

XJLI

Adventurer
Why are the LR guys over here raving about their Rovers!? Don't think you see many Cruiser guys in the Rover section raving about our Cruisers. I could be wrong, I never go to the Rover section! :p

Rovers are juuuuuunk! Read read read and you will see I am not making that up. Crappy electricals, weak axles, weak motors and on and on. Only good thing in them is the t-case. And I am sorry but you guys are tripping that your Disco will walk all over an 80 series on and off road. All the 80 needs is f&r lockers and 2" of lift plus 35's to walk all over just about anything else out there besides say a Rubicon. Considering you can find them with factory lockers, 2" lift costs under $1000 and 35's can be had for another $1-2k there is nothing else out of the box from the 1990's that even compares. You guys are sitting here trying to compare a 2004 Disco to a 95 Cruiser!? Nearly a 10yr difference, try comparing the Disco to the 100, oh wait, no comparison. 80's handle awesome on pavement, albeit a bit slow. Stand next to a Disco and an 80, compare them. The 80 rocks the Disco with bigger and better axles, a much stronger trans, bigger and better suspension components, it is night and day really. I mean really, the 80 has a 9.5" rear axle that is FF with 30 splines. Front is 8" with big HUGE birfields. Compared to what 10 coarse and 24 fine spline in a Rover? The control arms and links are much beefier than a Rover as are the coil springs. Frame on the 80 is way beefy and very well made plus very well rust proofed. I seen many an 80 frame still holding it's factory paint, inside and out. Like I say they just don't compare.

Yup seats my be trashed after 25+yrs. Guess what!? All new leather kits can be had for about $1,000.

My buddy just picked up a super clean 96 LX in SoCal for $4k. No lockers but 175k on the clock, Slee sliders and short bus bumper, 33's, did I mention it is super clean!? We are dropping a GM v8 in it, our budget is $10k. So all up he will be roughly $15k into it which sounds not far from these posts about the Disco that cost $2k plus $8k in work. But the 80/LX with a v8 is 10x the truck any day of the week.

IMHO, the Rovers are on par with the Ford Exploder in terms of quality and longevity. Hell I might even give that one to the Exploder!

And as far as the 100 goes price wise. I spent a month looking at dozens of 100s in the west. Price was $7-15k depending on mileage and condition. $7k one was a 99 with nearly 200k on the clock and the $15k one was a 99 too but it had only 85k on the clock. Both had the rear locker. Mine is a 2000 with 125k on it, no locker but very clean, I paid $11.5k. This was a $60k truck new, just 16yrs ago. I have a 2001 2500HD Chevy pickup I bought new. Granted it is a work truck but it is way more trashed than the 100 I recently bought. Bottom line, The Cruiser was/is the top of the line Toyota 4wd and it shows in the quality of the trucks.

Cheers

Huh. Ok. I never put down anything on the LC. They're fantastic trucks. The LC80's exterior and LC120's interior aren't my favorite, but I don't like brussel sprouts either so I just don't eat them... I don't run through farmers markets telling everyone how terrible they taste.

You say "all the 80 needs is... " to walk anything off road. Ok sure. Anything can walk anything off road with mods. Stock for stock (save for the factory lockers on some 80s) the Disco and LC80 are VERY competitive with each other on road and off. I'm also comparing the D1 (94-99) to LC80s (90-97... right?) so I'd say that's pretty fair. BTW, the LC120 competes against the Range Rover (when it was new at least), not the Disco. Apples to oranges at that point.

Weak driveline? Meh. Sure, the later motors were pretty bad with eating head gaskets and leaking everywhere. But the motor is strong when taken care of. The ZF auto trans is also plenty stout enough to hold the power the motor produces. Electrical? Ok, I can give you that. It's British. On my OBD1 truck it isn't much of an issue. D1s have full float, 24 spline front and rear axles. The 10 spline stuff is on older RRCs and Series trucks. My fully-boxed frame is also wearing it's factory undercoat, and the truck has lived in north NJ since new and NY. The 80s I looked at (yes, I cross shopped because I'm open to my vehicle choice) had a LOT more rust on both the frame and body than the D1 I bought. Yes, both trucks can be eaten alive by the Northeast. That point is moot. You know what isn't though? The all-aluminum skins on the Rover's body.

I'm happy your buddy got that deal on the LX. If I saw that, I'd jump on it too. But that price is not the norm for a LC, and you know that. That was the thing that pushed me away from the LC most... the cost of entry.

I never once bashed on LCs, they are great tools. I'm glad there are people like you around though, because I enjoy the "rarity" of LR ownership. ExPo and everything is littered with LC and Toyota loyalists who poo-poo everything else. They'll never be 1/4 of the amount of Discos as there will be LCs and that is something I take pride in... daily driving a vehicle that most people think is a pile of unreliability... when in reality it's just a misunderstood (but sometimes headstrong) puppy. Most people compare them to supermodels but my truck is a little long in the tooth for that comparison. It just needs a little more attention at times but will reward you with loyalty.
 

peneumbra

Explorer
@XJLI: WHAT?!? You don't like Brussel Sprouts??? You probably like broccoli! Brussel sprouts taste much better, they have more anti-oxidants, they're better off-road...

Ummm, where was I?
 

LemonLite

New member
Finally got my internet hooked up! Thanks for all of the replies, I wasn't expecting this thread to take off. I was ready to jump on an LR3 a week or so ago but it didn't feel right. So I'm going to stick with Yota :agree: I found a small dealership that has some LC's that isn't far from me. As badly as I wanted an 80 series, I think I'm going to venture into the 100 series world. I found an 02 with 120K on the odometer. I'm also trying to avoid any rig that has already been modified. Looking at it like a blank canvas. Again though, thanks for all of the input. You guys have been a tremendous help.
 

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