MOguy
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I apologize, I am on a small tablet and read things wrong. Again I apologize for making that remark to you.Did you read who I was quoting?? Proofread and edit accordingly.
I apologize, I am on a small tablet and read things wrong. Again I apologize for making that remark to you.Did you read who I was quoting?? Proofread and edit accordingly.
I didn't realize we were only talking about Alaska.
Adventure Guide Inside Passage & Coastal Alaska By Ed Readicker-Henderson, Lynn Readicker-Henderson -- Hunter Publishing 2006 Page 49
nope, to busy looking out for bearsWell the wikipedia article, which you based your argument on, contained a paragraph which described there being more Moose-related injuries than Bear-related injuries; that paragraph used the following citation to substantiate its claim:
I based my own argument off of the Alaska Fish and Game website because that seems to be one of the few credible sources which offers details on this subject and because there is a sizable Moose population there. If you want to argue that the cause of all Moose-related injuries, throughout the entire US, differs significantly from what we see in Alaska, go right ahead...good luck finding any type of verified source material for that argument.
Sidenote: You and jeep-n-montero seem more focused on flaming me than you are on having a civilized conversation...heck you got so worked up that you flamed him by accident!
Maybe both of you should just take a deep breath and take some time to review some factual sources before you resort to petty bickering.
Well the wikipedia article, which you based your argument on, contained a paragraph which described there being more Moose-related injuries than Bear-related injuries; that paragraph used the following citation to substantiate its claim:
I based my own argument off of the Alaska Fish and Game website because that seems to be one of the few credible sources which offers details on this subject and because there is a sizable Moose population there. If you want to argue that the cause of all Moose-related injuries, throughout the entire US, differs significantly from what we see in Alaska, go right ahead...good luck finding any type of verified source material for that argument.
Sidenote: You and jeep-n-montero seem more focused on flaming me than you are on having a civilized conversation...heck you got so worked up that you flamed him by accident!
Maybe both of you should just take a deep breath and take some time to review some factual sources before you resort to petty bickering.
In previous posts, I've actually discussed some of my encounters with both black bear and brown bear out in the wild. I didn't respond to your earlier post because I've had already explained my stance on bear avoidance/protection and I wasn't inclined to bicker with someone else's point of view, as you seem so inclined to do.
Unfortunately your ignorance is the stink that is attracting all the flies here.You made the mistake of calling out others credentials when you have 0.
Didn't really read my post very carefully did you? Or put it in the context as a response to a previous post, huh? And what makes you think after a lifetime of backcountry travel (sans luxury 4x4) that I lack the wilderness acumen to stay alive?so now we are to rely on some electronic gizmo to save our bacon. for heavens sake learn how to take care of yourself. all this search and rescue is seriously taxing rural counties. the I got lost because the GPS on my smart phone said to go this way has to end(won't because of our collective mentality nowadays). to say I do not need to carry a firearm because I can call for protection is ridiculous.
I responded to a post asserting that a gun can be used as a survival device beyond a violent encounter, which is true. I suggested also including a two-way communicator like an inReach, which sure as hell beats sitting in the woods for days unable to communicate to the rescue resources probably already dispatched to go find you. I specifically use an inReach so I can communicate to ANYONE, not just SAR to come assist.
It was my post you were responding to. I wasn't trying to claim that a firearm can be used in lieu of a GPS or Satellite communicator. I was saying that a firearm has its given role to fulfill, just like many other tools that are used out in the wild....this is a thread about carrying firearms while camping after all.
As to highdesertranger's point...perhaps he will chime in soon enough, but my own opinion is that carrying a firearm in remote areas gives you the ability to defend and extricate yourself from potentially lethal situations...it allows a traveler to be more self-reliant (which sounded to me to be highdesertranger's main point). If you want to carry a GPS/Sat communicator, that's certainly a smart move (whether you're armed or unarmed), but it still leaves you reliant on the rescue effort getting to your location in time to help you. Rescue/assistance for someone in the back country is likely to be a far ways off in whatever time-critical situation you're encountering. Those who chose to carry a firearm do so in order to increase their odds of survival until the situation subsides or rescue arrives.
As I said earlier, 2 different tools fulfilling 2 different roles.
I'd take that bet. You get the mace in unknown wind conditions, and I'll take a shotgun with a slug.Want to bet on your life that you can kill a pissed off grizzly with a firearm from 10 feet away before it gets to you? Numerous tests have proven that bear mace is more effective at close range than a firearm. If you so choose that you wish to test your thinking/theory/ASSumption we can take a trip to Alaska and see if you are right....
Want to bet on your life that you can kill a pissed off grizzly with a firearm from 10 feet away before it gets to you? Numerous tests have proven that bear mace is more effective at close range than a firearm. If you so choose that you wish to test your thinking/theory/ASSumption we can take a trip to Alaska and see if you are right....