jeepdreamer
Expedition Leader
I realize some folks have good intentions and big hearts. Sometimes those leed to poor financial decisions. I wonder if any of the jeep money was reallocated to fund the social change?
EarthRoamer XV-JP "Northwest Edition"
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I realize some folks have good intentions and big hearts. Sometimes those leed to poor financial decisions. I wonder if any of the jeep money was reallocated to fund the social change?
Jeep or Tacoma
Explorer
It seems pretty simple when you boil all the baloney away
Money was paid work was not done.
Money was paid work was not done.
mhiscox
Expedition Leader
I believe it was appropriate to post the photos and factual descriptions showing the condition of the XV-JP when it was received, and at the time I did that, I did not consider that there would be a public dispute with Red Cannon about who was at fault for the money and vehicle value lost. Dion's post putting the blame on me, and the course that the thread has taken after that, was as much a surprise to me as anyone.
Hang in there for another day or two, though. I am working to get things straightened out.
DionK
New member
Per our lawyer's instructions, all posts by DionK will be removed.
We request that Michael D. Hiscox cease and desist all defamation of Dion Kranz and Red Cannon Expedition's character and reputation. Statements posted on this thread by Michael D. Hiscox are false and destructive and are statements that are intended to injure the reputation of Dion Kranz and Red Cannon Expedition. Should you choose to ignore this request and continue with your illegal conduct, legal action will be taken.
An investigation is under way to determine the person responsible for illegally accessing our email accounts and Facebook page. Criminal charges will be filed. It is advised that any further damaging actions and illegal activities cease, as such actions may be seen as being suggested and/or instructed by Michael D. Hiscox.
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DionK
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Not only is it the policy of this forum that slander is disallowed, it is often illegal and subject to criminal charges. There have been several recent cases of slander on forums, where the forum owner has been subpoenaed to provide information about a member defaming an individual or company. This is serious stuff! If you are going to make claims about an individual or a company, make sure they are 100% true and not exaggerated, and come from first-hand or well-documented knowledge. Gone are the days that someone who didn't read the directions for a product can have a failure or installation issue and then publicly defame the company.
Arclight
SAR guy
While watching this right now does satisfy a very dark, voyeuristic craving, I would like to turn the discussion in a different direction. I am about 90% through the build of my Flippac camper, and I'm wondering:
1. Do you think anything with a large area of fabric-sealed-to-fiberglass can ever be watertight enough for year-round use in the Pacific Northwest?
2. Would it make sense on a future build to focus more on a "hose-out safe" interior and features that promote the rapid rejection of water that can't be fully kept out?
3. Would an all-plastic or glass unit be more practical ultimately? I am thinking about how boats, amusement park rides, etc are built - a glass or composite shell with interior features also constructed at the time the hull is laid up.
4. Any other "lessons learned" on the practical aspects?
Thanks!
Arclight
1. Do you think anything with a large area of fabric-sealed-to-fiberglass can ever be watertight enough for year-round use in the Pacific Northwest?
2. Would it make sense on a future build to focus more on a "hose-out safe" interior and features that promote the rapid rejection of water that can't be fully kept out?
3. Would an all-plastic or glass unit be more practical ultimately? I am thinking about how boats, amusement park rides, etc are built - a glass or composite shell with interior features also constructed at the time the hull is laid up.
4. Any other "lessons learned" on the practical aspects?
Thanks!
Arclight
AFSOC
Explorer
Dion,
Please keep us posted on the results of the investigation into accessing your e-mail and Facebook also keep us abreast of any legal actions you file.
-Thanks
mhiscox
Expedition Leader
Let me say that I was, twenty minutes ago, as posted immediately above, inclined to move on, as my local attorney had suggested that there were not enough Kranz/Red Cannon recoverable assets to warrant the cost of instituting litigation.
If, however, Dion does indeed have the resources to begin expensive legal action, that may be a good thing for me and my chances of recovering something might increase. It will also be better to handle the evaluation of the situation through our attorneys than publicly. As I have been careful throughout to make only accurate and supportable statements, and the extent of Red Cannon's breeches of the contract are not in dispute, the fact that Dion now has an attorney is likely a positive for me going forward.
I believe the information that has proved most destructive to the reputation of Dion Krantz and Red Cannon Expeditions is the photos showing my Jeep before going to Red Cannon and how if looked when it returned,
and I don't know how that can be "false." But all the trouble admittedly did start when I showed the result of their work, though I'd have thought a customer has the right to do that.
The assertion that I can be held responsible for anything happening to their Facebook page and e-mail seems dubious. I truly don't know a damn thing about it.
We're going to get this thread locked for sure with this sort of discussion, and with Dion's posts removed, the last month of it won't make sense anyway. As stated, I do intend to get this back to being a build thread Real Soon Now, and I ask for the brief forbearance of the moderator.
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thethePete
Explorer
As per your lawyer's instructions, you're destroying admissions of guilt and evidence of your character and behaviour over this matter? That sounds like a terrible idea, and you'll likely find that removing your posts from this site has become more difficult with recent events around here. Furthermore, all posts are archived and would be accessable to the courts if they're required.
Wow... Mike, with every post, I feel more and more sorry for you getting involved with these people.
Wow... Mike, with every post, I feel more and more sorry for you getting involved with these people.
mhiscox
Expedition Leader
PM being sent.
quoting this before it's deleted as well...
this blog has some interesting insight into the interns and other employees working there and the "work" that the did in december.
https://lilithshoemaker.wordpress.com/2015/12/19/december-14-19-at-red-cannon-expedition/
This thread is so epic. It literally has something for everyone. You know a thread has reached mythical "five star" status when the "messages from my lawyer" come out. Solid gold right there.
But seriously, I do hope this story comes full circle and we get to see a resurrection of the Jeep in grand fashion. I know it will cost more money (sorry about that), but watching Paul do his thing was one of the more pleasurable thread "follows" I have ever experienced...
But seriously, I do hope this story comes full circle and we get to see a resurrection of the Jeep in grand fashion. I know it will cost more money (sorry about that), but watching Paul do his thing was one of the more pleasurable thread "follows" I have ever experienced...
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Did anybody else pick up on the fact that Red Cannon was making molds off of (what I assume) are proprietary Earthroamer parts...
IdaSHO
IDACAMPER
This thread certainly delivers.
Holly cow what a mess.
Real unfortunate it went the way it did.
I really do not see how this could be settled without legal action.
And IMO legal action is easily justified.
But just like most things, your standing is only as good as your ability to fight (and pay) for it.
Such a shame.
Holly cow what a mess.
Real unfortunate it went the way it did.
I really do not see how this could be settled without legal action.
And IMO legal action is easily justified.
But just like most things, your standing is only as good as your ability to fight (and pay) for it.
Such a shame.
If they had the funds to pay for a real lawyer, that would indeed be good news for Mike. Unfortunately, no competent lawyer would ever advise a client to spoil evidence, both because it would earn the client an unfavorable inference at trial, and because it could earn that lawyer a disciplinary investigation with the Bar.
Iowa Jury Instruction on the subject:
100.22 Spoliation of Evidence. (Name of party asserting the conclusion) claims that (name of party) has intentionally [altered] [destroyed] [failed to produce] evidence consisting of (describe evidence). You may, but are not required to, conclude that such evidence would be unfavorable to (name of party).