El Camino Del Diablo: (2/23-26/2006)

[whitethaiger]

I also thought I might have to go Thrusday afternoon. Thanks for researching the details. I played with the link above and believe this is the site it is referring to:
http://www.luke.af.mil/StaffAgencies/RMO/RMO_visitors.asp
and here the link to the doc:
http://www.luke.af.mil/StaffAgencies/RMO/Files/Hold%20Harmless%20Jul%2001.doc

 

[BajaTaco]

[EDIT] Sorry, I didn't see that a 6th page was started, and didn't see the post from Al. That's definitely cool if it's an all-in-one permit good for both. Thanks Al! Disregard the original post below.

Chris,

Good question on the NWL permit. I dont know the answer to that. Hopefully I can follow-up next week to find the details.

I'm fairly certain we will need one.

http://www.fws.gov/southwest/refuges/arizona/cabeza.html

"Before entering the refuge, you must obtain a valid Refuge Entry Permit and sign a Military Hold Harmless Agreement. Free permits are available from the refuge office or they can be sent through the mail.
Most of the refuge falls within the air space of the Barry M. Goldwater Air Force Range. Numerous low-flying aircraft cross the refuge on their way to air-to-air bombing and gunnery ranges located to the north. Some military training exercises over the refuge may require limitations on travel and even short periods of closure of the refuge to the public. Military schedules are known in advance, so refuge staff can help with your schedule."

 

[awalter]

Just a reminder, each occupant of the vehicle has to submit a seperate release form.

 

[DSRTRDR]

if you go through the Yuma Marine Corps office for the permit, that will be good for the Goldwater Range as well as Cabeza Prieta; they agreed on a combined permit process in 1998, I think.

Guys, I envy you, we did the trail in 1999 and 2000. A personal favorite. Claudia

 

[Desertdude]

Just a reminder, each occupant of the vehicle has to submit a seperate release form.

Thanks for that info...:wavey:

 

[durango_60]

My only regret after running the trail 2 weeks ago is that I did not have a tape recorder while receiving the lecture from the guy @ the Marine base who gives out the permits. He had some pretty priceless things to say about what we should and should not do while on the range, some were downright scary, such as what to do if your firearm accidentally gets discharged towards an illegal immigrant.

 

[articulate]

..lecture from the guy @ the Marine base...about what we should and should not do while on the range, some were downright scary, such as what to do if your firearm accidentally gets discharged towards an illegal immigrant.

Your comment required me to take a few days to process...and I hate to detract from the topic at hand but Eleanor Roosevelt said, "The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!" I'm presuming this guy was a Marine....That is if I'm understanding what you said above.

Should I laugh or throw up at what the U.S. Marine Corps says we should do with the murdered body of a border-running Mexican? Should I laugh or throw up at Government sanctioned "accidental weapon discharge?" I'm a crooked soul if I laugh, and an unpatriotic liberal if I throw up. Forcing me to chose one is what's really downright scary.

To turn a corner, though, what I like most about being outside in wilderness areas and places made of rocks, critters, and creosote is that I can let such labels dissolve away. One time I saw this along El Camino Del Diablo, and I would have been hard pressed to actually discharge a firearm at anybody...and then lie about it.

 

[durango_60]

I agree wholeheartdly, but to be accurate, the guy was a civilian working on the base.

 

[whitethaiger]

Oops, I just noticed that I haven't done anything on the permits yet. Scott, is the plan still to get them Friday morning. Or has everyone done it by mail already?

 

[awalter]

Received my permit in the mail. Took about 10 days from my mailing in the application.

 

[Scott Brady]

Trip Details Added

First three posts are updated:archaeolo

 

[Scott Brady]

Additional note: If you did not include a self addressed, stamped envelope, you will not have your permit returned to you. I found this out this morning.

 

[VikingVince]

Scott

That is really cool that your dad will be along and it's his first trip with you:clapsmile
It'll be nice to meet him.

Thought: there must be some better/cooler places for dinner than Denny's...or maybe there's a reason like close to the lodging...whatever...just a thought...anybody?

 

[Scott Brady]

Good point Vince. Dennys is close to the hotel, but I am (always) open to suggestions for better eating

 

[Brian McVickers]

Actually, I think it's spelled Lenny's!:chowtime: