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HenryJ

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Ok so the AD244 is internally regulated just like the CS130 and cs144?
Yes, you will be hard pressed to find an externally regulated alternator today. Those went away with the old 144 series.
Anyway to get another 50mm pulley? I've looked around and can't seem to find anything on smaller pulleys for these alternators?
How many grooves are you running? I have a few pulleys at the shop that I have saved. the 48mm and 50mm are hard to find. 52mm not as bad. I might have had a 53mm at one point? I'm not sure what I have left. You can buy new 52mm. A good alternator shop should be able to get them, or like mine have a box of old pulleys to dig through. Keep in mind that a smaller pulley means it runs faster. That could reduce the lifespan of the brushes as well as require more energy to turn it. If the stock 56mm does the job, leave it. If you need a little more at idle, add a smaller pulley.
I prefer to use fuse-able links on the charging wires since there can be great demands at times. I use resettable circuit breakers on the high demand accessories.
Sounds like you are doing good. "If in doubt, ground it out." The energy travels from the ground. Beef those up first.

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Any advice on what the AD244 came in? Which cars?
I used the application of a 2001 1500 suburban with the HO alternator as an application. You are looking for late nineties to mid two thousands Chevrolet truck, 1500/2500/3500 pick-ups, Suburban, Tahoe, Blazer to name a few. I'm not sure on the cars as I spend more time in the trucks areas. The newer DR44G alternators might work too, but the regulator plug differs from the CS130 connector shared by the AD244. Later AD244 abd the DR44G alternators use the PCM to monitor charge function. They may also have some control of it in specific regulators. I did not dig deep enough into that interaction. They should work fine without the influence of a PCM though.

I REALLY should have brought this up first! Spaced it I guess since it has been so long. I forgot to mention the alternators remote sense wire. That in itself may cure your dimming headlamps issue. Check out this thread on my forum : Flickering Lights - alternator sense wire The TSB in there explains lots. I am sorry the images are gone. Those were lost on the old server. It is a simple fix. The "S" terminal on the regulator is not used in many applications. I believe that the newer DR44G does not even have that terminal now. This is for remote regulation of the alternators charging. It senses the voltage at the place of demand, such as the electrical center, rather than internally. Properly wired that can be an advantage. Simply running a wire from that terminal to the hot wire on the back of the alternator was enough to cure most with the flickering lights.

Now all that said, still upgrade to the AD244 alternator. It is a huge improvement over the CS130. I was surprised to find a plastic bushing behind the front bearing on those. Not good. It melts too easy and allows the front bearing to float! I've been upgrading all those alternators as they need replacement. The CS144 used to be the "bullet proof" alternator. It was good, but you will see the AD244 took all its good qualities and made the next generation.

Think about investing in a DC clamp on ammeter. That will be very helpful in actually seeing the amperage flow at a given rpm. They can be very expemsive, but shop around for a good used one, or consider Craftsman. I have a Craftsman and a MacTool. The Mac is much better, but the Craftsman works well too. I don't trust the voltage reading on the Craftsman. They are in error. Fluke is awesome, but out of my price range for no more than I really need one.
 
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88Xj

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All grounds checked and cleaned again. Battery checked out great, ALT checked out great.
Reading that link now.

Its got to be the ALT not giving enough amps at idle. And my pulley is a 5 rib and its the stock size which is 52mm? I want a slightly smaller one to get more amps closer to idle.
Junkyard turned up a few good things today. 1 the ambulance still has its alternator, I'm going to pull it and check it out tomorrow,, the thing is massive so I'm guess its like 200A or better..but seeing if it'll work in the jeep would be an issue..Didn't find any of the AD244 but found a few CS144's. I'm deffinetly looking for a Ad244.

Henry sorry to be a bug but on the AD244 theres no adapter needed to run it? Thats all the Cs144 needs is the adapter for the plug on the back which makes it plug and play.
 

HenryJ

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No bugging me :)

The AD244 is the same connector as the CS130. Double check the regulator as some had the two middle wires reversed, IIRC. Easy swap if needed, but I don't think so in your case. Look at the alternator picture that I posted above. The AD244 is on the right. You connector looks like that, right?

This is the CS130 to CS144 adapter you are talking about:

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yours should look like the right hand side of that for a CS130 and the AD244.

You will not need that adapter for the AD244. It is plug-n-play. In my picture above you can see that I had two connectors added inline. That was so that I could easily swap different alternators for testing. That "Bigger alternator" thread has lots of good information, but it is four pages and probably over 200 posts long.

You might try searching car-part.com for a local auto recycler near you: Car-part.com search try using a 2002 Suburban 1500 alternator , and then choose 130 amp. I show thirty pages of results with the lowest price being $25 Quite a few in TX and CA.
 
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88Xj

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Awsome thank you for taking the time to help me.
Yup my connector looks exactly like that and I'm searching now.
 

HenryJ

Expedition Leader
More than happy to help where I can! Be sure to let us all know how things work out.
Grab a spare pigtail at the salvage yard if you can. Pull one terminal and mod your plug to accept it for the "S" terminal. That might get rid of the flickering headlamps until you find an upgrade for your alternator.
 
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88Xj

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More than happy to help where I can! Be sure to let us all know how things work out.
Grab a spare pigtail at the salvage yard if you can. Pull one terminal and mod your plug to accept it for the "S" terminal. That might get rid of the flickering headlamps until you find an upgrade for your alternator.


I'm going to be honest and say, I have no idea what the mod your talking about is. I read the link you posted, but I'm like a blind kid in a maze without pictures lol.
 

HenryJ

Expedition Leader
Look at the regulator connector. It is labeled P-L-I/F-S. S is the sense terminal. Attach a wire to that terminal from the positive battery wire on the back of your alternator.
You can carefully drill out the blank in your connector. You don't need to go full depth, just cut enough to remove the blank. Then push in a terminal from the salvage yard pigtail. Using a terminal with a 1/4" hole on the other end of the wire to attach along with the alternators battery connection.
 

88Xj

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Mod done, going to see if my headlights dim in a few hours when it gets dark. I'll post results in 3-4 hours.
 

HenryJ

Expedition Leader
Nope. Internal sensing of the output voltage was a little low. Many of the regulators used for the CS130D had this issue. It is very tough to find a high quality regulator today. Don't get me started on that topic! The "Bigger Alternator" thread goes into it somewhat. I don't think replacing the regulator will help any. The solution that you have in place will work just as good.
Now you have plenty of time to watch for a good deal on an AD244 alternator. That same trick can be used on any alternator that has a "S" terminal. Running a wire to the electrical center will monitor voltage from there and if capable the alternator will provide the voltage regulation to its specifications from that point rather than internally.

You do good work! Congrats on solving your problem.
 

88Xj

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20 and learning lol. I listen and try to take everything in, read everything 10x over. You can never know too much. Who said, "The day you stop learning is the day you die?"

Thank you sir for your time and help:wavey:
 

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