Expedition One Rear Bumper

Until I said I called first you had no idea. I didn't ask to have a custom bumper made, asked if the bumper on the site fit. I was told it did but to mention what the bumper was going on. The person I spoke with said they worked in marketing and were covering the phones, they had no involvement in ordering that I'm aware of. I've never asked for, or ordered, a custom bumper. Why you'd take a order for a product that isn't past prototyping from some random person is troubling.

Your frustration is very easy to understand. All can tell you is what happened, who I am and why I am here.

My very first post on this thread laid out that changes had been made and we were working to fix problems we encountered.

Again, hoping to help here by gathering information. What I have gotten so far from you has been a great help.

In regards to the question of a random person ordering what should have been considered a custom item isn't out of the ordinary. We always have new products in development. Some people want to be first to adopt.

The problem with your experience was that it wasn't communicated to you what you were ordering. I have apologized multiple times, all I can do from here is continue to find out where we fell short, so in the future these experiences don't happen.

Jace Randolph
Expedition One
 
Dude... Before I bought my ARB, I looked at your front bumpers. It was an option. You selected the option for the 40's, then it asked you to "specify" PW or Cummins. I do not remember the specifics, but I know you had to specify in the comments section. It may be different now, but I've not cared to look or try right now.

I don't think it was a drop down option but I know it was mentioned in the text of page. It's been almost seven months since I placed the order and their site has changed so I can't remember the exact language. I know it didn't say "Super Duper Custom Power Wagon Bumper".
 

Kingsize24

Well-known member
I don't think it was a drop down option but I know it was mentioned in the text of page. It's been almost seven months since I placed the order and their site has changed so I can't remember the exact language. I know it didn't say "Super Duper Custom Power Wagon Bumper".

I think you are correct. I believe I have some correspondence with Roger about it in my email. I will look once I get home.
 
How many holes do I have to poke in the chargeback response to get Expedition One to admit I played no part in the order going sideways and they were just trying to prevent me from rightfully cancelling the order?

I edited out my personal information

From: info@expeditionone.biz [mailto:info@expeditionone.biz]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 3:37 PM
To: <Reloaderguy>
Subject: *** Cancel? Sales Order SO 6509 from EXPEDITION ONE LLC

Dear Reloaderguy :

Brenda says you want to cancel this order is that correct? I just need it writting. Did something change or is it the time it has taken to produce the bumper?

Sincerely,
Roger
EXPEDITION ONE LLC
801-627-2921

From: <Reloaderguy>
Date: 10/1/18 4:37 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: info@expeditionone.biz
Subject: Re: *** Cancel? Sales Order SO 6509 from EXPEDITION ONE LLC

Please cancel the order. It is the time it has taken as well as your lack of follow up and responses to my email.

Reloaderguy

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How many holes do I have to poke in the chargeback response to get Expedition One to admit I played no part in the order going sideways and they were just trying to prevent me from rightfully cancelling the order?

I edited out my personal information

From: info@expeditionone.biz [mailto:info@expeditionone.biz]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 3:37 PM
To: <Reloaderguy>
Subject: *** Cancel? Sales Order SO 6509 from EXPEDITION ONE LLC

Dear Reloaderguy :

Brenda says you want to cancel this order is that correct? I just need it writting. Did something change or is it the time it has taken to produce the bumper?

Sincerely,
Roger
EXPEDITION ONE LLC
801-627-2921

From: <Reloaderguy>
Date: 10/1/18 4:37 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: info@expeditionone.biz
Subject: Re: *** Cancel? Sales Order SO 6509 from EXPEDITION ONE LLC

Please cancel the order. It is the time it has taken as well as your lack of follow up and responses to my email.

Reloaderguy

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Can you please forward these emails to me at sales@expeditionone.biz

Again, I do not have these threads. Having them all forwarded to me could provide all the information I need to address this situation internally.

Also, I have already expressly stated that there is another side to this I simply do not have. I have only responded using information at my disposal. We have come pretty far at this point and I feel we are nearing the point of isolating the issue. I appreciate all your help so far.

Thank you

Jace Randolph
Expedition One
 

Wilbah

Adventurer
So is Jace saying that no one at the company can access emails sent to "info@...."? I'm astonished at this level of nonsense. And as others have said it's too bad bc they are good looking bumpers.

Its times like this I recall how LL Bean started their 100% lifetime warranty....its because the first three or four pairs of Bean Boots that LL made fell apart. And each time he fixed them for free, improved the design and sent them back to the customer. No questions asked. I would say it worked for them. Sadly not many companies follow that path.

If I were ExpOne I would make the newest most improved bumpers they can, on my own dime and send them free of charge to the people in this thread who have taken the time to document the harassment and BS the company has put them through. It probably wont make a difference in how they feel about what you put them through, but it would be a somewhat honorable way of saying "I'm sorry". But I wont hold my breath expecting they would do it. The 17 pages of this thread prove that some people with businesses just don't, or won't, learn.
 
So is Jace saying that no one at the company can access emails sent to "info@...."? I'm astonished at this level of nonsense. And as others have said it's too bad bc they are good looking bumpers.

Its times like this I recall how LL Bean started their 100% lifetime warranty....its because the first three or four pairs of Bean Boots that LL made fell apart. And each time he fixed them for free, improved the design and sent them back to the customer. No questions asked. I would say it worked for them. Sadly not many companies follow that path.

If I were ExpOne I would make the newest most improved bumpers they can, on my own dime and send them free of charge to the people in this thread who have taken the time to document the harassment and BS the company has put them through. It probably wont make a difference in how they feel about what you put them through, but it would be a somewhat honorable way of saying "I'm sorry". But I wont hold my breath expecting they would do it. The 17 pages of this thread prove that some people with businesses just don't, or won't, learn.


No, that is not what I am saying.

We keep records of all email correspondence. Technically, these are legal records and we keep them for that purpose. I send and receive close to 100 emails a day.

What I am saying is that I do not have the return correspondence from <reloaderguy>. I have 4 emails from us, to him, but no replies from him. This could be chalked up to a lot of different things, as I said before his email went directly to my spam folder in a brand new email that had never been used to communicate with him. We are asking to have those responses forwarded to us so we can find out what communication happened so we can train and improve our systems and policies.

We do offer a Limited Lifetime warranty to all of our customers for workmanship and manufacturing defects. In this case specifically no product was ever shipped or received so this specific example doesn't really apply in the same way.

Again we appreciate all the feedback and information we have received so far, it has been very informative and helpful.


Jace Randolph
Expedition One
 
Was Expedition One selling me a prototype without telling me? How is the bumper in prototype today if Expedition One said my bumper (the PW bumper I was unaware of several pages back that apparently they were selling me) was going to powder coat? Why would Expedition One want to charge me a cancellation fee for a bumper months away from final fit up?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PowerWagonNewGeneration/permalink/735950886775425/

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And I'm trying my best to just ignore that Jace is tacitly admitting they don't/didn't check their spam filter and trying to continue this line about "two sides to the story". There's like 10 sides to this story, ******?
 
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Was Expedition One selling me a prototype without telling me? How is the bumper in prototype today if Expedition One said my bumper (the PW bumper I was unaware of several pages back that apparently they were selling me) was going to powder coat? Why would Expedition One want to charge me a cancellation fee for a bumper months away from final fit up?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PowerWagonNewGeneration/permalink/735950886775425/

And I'm trying my best to just ignore that Jace is tacitly admitting they don't/didn't check their spam filter and trying to continue this line about "two sides to the story". There's like 10 sides to this story, ******?


Your bumper is complete and finished. I showed pictures of it earlier in this thread. The bumper on our end for resale is still in prototype because yours did not cover all the options we will offer.

I appreciate all the feedback we have gotten here. I assumed it would be a reasonable request for you to forward the emails to me that I don't have.

I will not be back in the office until the 26th, but I always have my phone with my email at sales@expeditionone.biz.

Happy Holidays to all of you.

Jace Randolph
Expedition One
 

chet6.7

Explorer
This was the Terms and Conditions Expedition One sent me the day I placed my order. I'm guessing no one bothered to read it. It's still on Expedition One's site.

Expedition One, LLC Terms and
Conditions
Limited Lifetime Warranty
Expedition One offers a limited lifetime warranty on bumpers, rocker guards, and steel products. to the
original purchaser. Expedition One products are warrantied to be free from material and workmanship
defects for as long as the original purchaser owns the vehicle the Expedition One product was originally
installed on and must provide proof of purchase. This warranty is non-transferable. Expedition One is
not responsible for any incidental or consequential damages such as, labor fees, loss of use, loss of time
and freight associated with the failure of any products. Any product that has been abused, altered,
incorrectly installed or used in competition and/or races is not covered. All components must be used in
their proper places and proof of this is required for warranty claims. Any substitutions of other
manufacturers components or exemptions of required components will immediately void the warranty.
Limited Warranty
The powder coat finish is a service offered by Expedition One and is warrantied to be free from major
defect for a period of 30 days from date of purchase. Defects in powder coat/paint are warrantied for 30
days from the date of purchase for defects in workmanship only. Expedition One requires a reasonable
amount of time to remedy or repair the product. Expedition One components may have minor finish
damage to powder coated or plated surfaces which may occur during shipping and is not covered under
warranty. Damage to items as a result of the shipping process is eligible for a claim with the shipping
company.
Geri fuel and water containers, washer fluid kits, and and all aluminum products are warrantied for a
period of one year. Proof of purchase is required. This warranty is non-transferable. Expedition One is
not responsible for any incidental or consequential damages such as, labor fees, loss of use, loss of time
and freight associated with the failure of any products. Any product that has been abused, altered,
incorrectly installed or used in competition and/or races is not covered. All components must be used in
their proper places and proof of this is required for warranty claims. Any substitutions of other
manufacturers components or exemptions of required components will immediately void the warranty.
This warranty does not apply to products or components which have been exposed to the natural
elements, that have not been maintained properly or have been unnecessarily exposed causing excess rust,
or subjected to accident, alteration, modification, improper installation, tampering, negligence, misuse, or
products installed on a vehicle used in sanctioned racing events. A race being defined as any competition
between two or more vehicles, or against the clock, whether or not a sanctioned or non-sanctioned event.
Expedition One does not warranty any product not manufactured by Expedition One. Expedition One
products are not covered under warranty outside the United States of America.
All orders received from Expedition One must be inspected and verified upon arrival. All claims must
be reported within 10 business days of defect occurrence to the original dealer of purchase. Claims
regarding items or products damaged or lost in shipping must be reported immediately. Recipients
should check products upon arrival before signing with the shipping company. It is highly
recommended that you refuse signature on damaged items and contact the shipping company and
Expedition One immediately to report the damaged items. For identified damage, it is required that you
submit digital photos of original packaging and damage incurred during shipping to Expedition One at :
info@expeditionone.biz. in order for us to process your claim with the shipping company. Any claims
made under this warranty must be accompanied by the original damaged product, and written description
of the damage and how it happened, and a copy of the original invoice at the time of purchase. The
customer is responsible for all shipping charges in warranty claims. Defects in powder coat/paint are
warrantied for 30 days from the date of purchase for defects in workmanship only. Expedition One
requires a reasonable amount of time to remedy or repair the product .
Custom ordered, limited, or special-run items for individual groups or companies are not returnable
items. Warranty claims on custom items must be filed within 90 days of original purchase and are subject
to the limited and lifetime warranty policies as previously outlined.
Terms and Conditions of Sale
At Expedition One we require payment at time of order. Custom and special order items and production
requests that may require longer assembly time require a 30% non-refundable deposit at time of order and
balance due prior to shipping. Standard, non-custom orders may be canceled within 72 hours prior to
shipping, but may be subject to a 2% cancellation /re-stocking fees as determined by Expedition One.
Authorized Returns

In order to file a claim on a damaged product you must ship the product to Expedition One for
repair/return. We require the original purchaser first submit digital photos prior to any authorization
of return and must receive a Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA) form prior to shipping any
return items to Expedition One. Any product that has been manufactured incorrectly or is of a defective
nature will be repaired or replaced at the discretion of Expedition One. Expedition One covers the cost
of the part only. Shipping, vehicle down time, etc. is the purchaser’s responsibility. This warranty does
not cover the removal or re-installation of the product. Expedition One will, at its option, repair,
replace or refund the purchase price of a defective product or component, provided you return the
defective product or component during the warranty period. Expedition One warranty excludes the
following Expedition One items: bushings, bearings, bump stops, joints, and hardware. These parts are
subject to wear and are not considered defective when worn.
Expedition One shall not be liable for any loss, damage or injury, whether ordinary, direct, special,
incidental or consequential damages, arising from the manufacture, sale, installation, resale, delivery,
possession, handling or use of its products. Expedition One is not responsible for typographical errors in
pricing or in content. Warranties, policies and prices are subject to change without notice. Use of your
vehicle in off-road conditions may significantly increase wear to critical components of your vehicle,
which will require and increase inspection protocol and maintenance schedule. Failure to properly inspect
and repair your vehicle may lead to failure of components, which may lead to catastrophic failure. Users
should be aware that installation of Expedition One products may change the way your vehicle handles.
We strongly encourage that vehicle occupants wear seat belts at all times and avoid sudden maneuvers.
Expedition One accepts no responsibility for any altered product, improper installation, or improper use
of our products.
Expedition One reserves the right to change pricing at any time and to discontinue, change the design,
finish, part number and/or application of parts when deemed necessary without written notice. Expedition
One will not be held responsible for changes or misprints or manufacturing changes made by the vehicle
manufacturer.
***Effective date March1 2008. Prior warranty information includes 30 days on finish and 12 months on
product.
In short,we will make it so hard for you to get warranty work done that you will handle it yourself and quit bothering us.
 

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