Todd780
OverCamper
Depends on the year / truck maybe? I have 3:73's w/ a 5.0L and 6 spd in my 2015 XLT FX4. No max tow. Just regular tow pack with integrated trailer brake.
F150 - 2.7L vs 3.5L vs 5.0L
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Martinjmpr
Wiffleball Batter
Yeah, compact trucks have tiny fuel tanks. Not a big deal when they were made out of paper-thin sheet metal and weighed 2500 lbs.
My 1984 Mazda B2300 (A/K/A the "Silver Slug") had I think a 90hp engine and could barely get out of its own way. But it would also go 400 miles on 11 gallons of gas (37mpg hand calculated.)
Of course it was 2wd, riding on 14" wheels, had no power anything (including steering), and had a tiny, cramped cab. But it sure was fuel efficient!
IMO fuel capacity is yet another advantage of full sized vs. compact.
Heck even when we had our first home-built teardrop trailer that weighed around 1100lbs, my 3rd gen 4runner struggled to pull it and 150 - 200 mile fuel-ups were normal with the tiny 18.5 gallon tank. I actually ran out of gas in Oregon because of the tiny fuel tank.
Fuel tanks are one of those things where the automobile industry basically sticks it to actual long distance travelers because they know that 99.9% of the buyers are never going to go anywhere more than 25 miles from a gas station. Smaller fuel tank = less weight which in turn means better MPG for their EPA numbers. It's also easier to shoehorn a small tank into a design than a bigger one.
It sucks but it also makes sense. There's no reason a company would ever want to cater to the .1% who actually need a bigger fuel tank.
In the "old days" before EPA regulations and product-liability lawsuits, the aftermarket would step in to fill that demand. But now nobody wants to touch that market with a 3 meter pole. It's not worth having to deal with EPA, CARB and EU certification on the one hand and the possibility of ruinous lawsuits should one of those tanks rupture on the other hand, so consumers are left trying to figure out how many jerry cans they can strap to the roof.
ricoisme26
Active member
I actually do notice after I fill up my truck mpg is below its my average on my daily commute until I burn off a few gallons, the 36 gallons of gas adds weight. It doesn't help that I climb 900ft in elevation to work everyday, you never make it back up coming back down hill
The 2012 only had direct injection and for some reason ate plugs. I got in to the habit of changing plugs every oil change. Plugs were only $40 for the set of six and were an absolute breeze to swap out
I added a catch can and was annoyed how fast it filled up.......are the trucks still having this issue?
The oil change was also a huge pita in the F150. My Silverado is possibly the best and easiest oil change on a truck I have done.
All minor things in the scheme of having a reliable truck I guess
While both trucks , the F150 and the Silveeado are four door cabs, the F150 was substantially larger inside especially the room in the back seat
When did Ford go to both direct and port injection? 2015?
I added a catch can and was annoyed how fast it filled up.......are the trucks still having this issue?
The oil change was also a huge pita in the F150. My Silverado is possibly the best and easiest oil change on a truck I have done.
All minor things in the scheme of having a reliable truck I guess
While both trucks , the F150 and the Silveeado are four door cabs, the F150 was substantially larger inside especially the room in the back seat
When did Ford go to both direct and port injection? 2015?
Good to know. Will help me narrow down model years
I believe I'm correct when I say that the 3.5TT has the 9.75 axle, along with trucks that come with the HD towing and HD payload packages, including the 2.7 HD payload package. All other configurations use the Super 8.8, which is not the 8.8 of old. The differential was originally developed for the S550 Mustang IRS and spline counts were increased all around to better handle the higher hp and torque outputs. Ford claims it packs the strength of a 9.75" differential into an 8.8" package.
plainjaneFJC
Deplorable
My 2019 3.5 eb sport f150 4wd came with 3.55s and locking rear with the tow package. I really don’t understand the fuelly ratings for the 3.5 eb unless they are working the hell out of it towing and hauling. I have averaged 22 over the first 25k miles. I get 21 mpg at 85 and not towing. If those folks are getting 16 mpg because they are using it towards its capabilities then that is actually pretty good for a truck hauling and towing that much weight.
The Max Tow and Max Payload packages aren't available with the 2.7. In standard configuration, the 2.7 GVWR is 400# lower than a comparable truck with the 3.5TT or 5.0; the 2.7 HD payload package just bumps the GVW and available payload to parity with the trucks equipped with the 3.5TT and 5.0. Available payload with the 2.7 HD payload package is typically very close to 2000 lbs. The B-pillar sticker on my 2019 5.0 4x4 indicates my available payload is almost 1950 lbs (I don't remember the exact figure without going out to look).
Fords 2016 press release on 2017 model years:
The engine features an all-new, Ford-first dual direct and port fuel-injection system. Two injectors per cylinder—one mounted in the intake port where air enters the cylinder and one positioned inside the cylinder—work together to improve power output, efficiency, and emissions.
For example, in part-load operation, the indirect injection can supplement the direct injection to improve fuel economy and to reduce the output of particulates from the engine.
All-new turbochargers deliver more boost via improved twin turbos and a lighter turbine wheel. The new turbos work seamlessly with Ford-first electrically activated wastegates, enhancing operating efficiency. Light-weighting the turbine wheel by making it out of high-temperature super alloy Mar-M-247 developed by the aerospace industry improves responsiveness.
Hollow camshafts in the all-new roller-finger follower valvetrain help save up to 4 pounds (1.8 kg) of weight. The valvetrain also features more durable intake and exhaust valves, and hydraulic valve-lash adjusters that optimize engine durability over the life of the truck.
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I assume then direct and port was on 2017 3.5L engines?
The engine features an all-new, Ford-first dual direct and port fuel-injection system. Two injectors per cylinder—one mounted in the intake port where air enters the cylinder and one positioned inside the cylinder—work together to improve power output, efficiency, and emissions.
For example, in part-load operation, the indirect injection can supplement the direct injection to improve fuel economy and to reduce the output of particulates from the engine.
All-new turbochargers deliver more boost via improved twin turbos and a lighter turbine wheel. The new turbos work seamlessly with Ford-first electrically activated wastegates, enhancing operating efficiency. Light-weighting the turbine wheel by making it out of high-temperature super alloy Mar-M-247 developed by the aerospace industry improves responsiveness.
Hollow camshafts in the all-new roller-finger follower valvetrain help save up to 4 pounds (1.8 kg) of weight. The valvetrain also features more durable intake and exhaust valves, and hydraulic valve-lash adjusters that optimize engine durability over the life of the truck.
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I assume then direct and port was on 2017 3.5L engines?
I've been reading up a little on the catch cans. I have a 2019 5.0L. Is a catch can no longer needed for this engine? Maybe they were never really needed. It's pretty tough to figure this out reading about it on different forums. It seems like a topic where there's not much agreement.