F150 - 2.7L vs 3.5L vs 5.0L

[Todd780]

My buddies 2017 with second gen 3.5 has had chains and phasers, along with something else all done under warranty. He doesn't keep the reports handy so it's hard to get a clear list of what exactly was done.
He had the chain slap noise on cold start up at like 20k.
As much a Fiddy fan bois I am, the boring 3.3 and the underdog 2.7 is the direction I'd lean if I didn't absolutely need more power. If I needed more power I'd drive a super duty.

I debated Super Duty. But, decided against as 90% of the time it's just me commuting back and forth to work.

I think I would have named it Super Doodie.

Also drove a 2022 Tundra TRD Off Road that would have been named TuRD Ferguson. Yep. I'm mature.

Since I'm staying with an F150 no clue what I'll call it. But the 3.5 seemed to have good power with the 3.55's.

 

[plainjaneFJC]

Hard pass on the truck, dealer took some pictures of the undercarriage and for a 2013 model, it looked pretty bad

I went and looked at one 2 years ago, pictures looked great until I crawled under it, that F150had silt and mud in every nook and cranny possible- dealer said that was normal…?

 

[D45]

Why isn't there timing and phaser issues with the 2.7L???

 

[Buddha.]

Hopefully there’s no problems with the 2.3 ecoboost…

 

[phsycle]

…Also drove a 2022 Tundra TRD Off Road that would have been named TuRD Ferguson

Ok, I’m intrigued. What’s up with the new tundra? Drivetrain set up is like a carbon copy of the F150. Thought it’d be as good, at least.

 

[Watt maker]

I would probably buy the 2018 I posted above if it had a sunroof and 3.73s

I can swap out those 20s

I agree with what T&N said, only way to get 3.73s behind a 3.5 EB is with the HDPP (the new f150 tremor comes with them and the 3.5 EB). 20’s are easy to swap out. I would avoid the sunroof though. Several folks I know that have had the sunroof in f150‘s and super duty’s have had a lot of trouble with them. Leaks, rattles, binding, you name it. I have owned and worked on enough sunroofs to know I’d never own one again.

 

[phsycle]

I agree with what T&N said, only way to get 3.73s behind a 3.5 EB is with the HDPP (the new f150 tremor comes with them and the 3.5 EB).

Correct, unless you go 3.5 hybrid.

But 3.55 with 3.5EB and 10-speed is excellent. Not sure why a 3.73 would be a deal-breaker.

 

[Grassland]

Why isn't there timing and phaser issues with the 2.7L???

Because it doesn't share the same engine platform.
The 3.7 cyclone/3.5 duratec/3.5ecoboost etc is a common engine platform with major design commonality. The turbo versions have tons of issues compared to the NA longitudinal versions. Transverse applications have water pump issues. My guess is the power from the boost stretches the chain, as NA 3.7/3.5 don't have the same issues. Something must be related to oil dilution as well as the direct Injection one's with long oil change intervals seem to have more issues than non.
And no I don't have links to back up my statements at this moment

 

[Todd780]

Ok, I’m intrigued. What’s up with the new tundra? Drivetrain set up is like a carbon copy of the F150. Thought it’d be as good, at least.

It was okay. They only come with 3:31's with no option for anything else. I'm sure it's fine but, I'm going with 3:55's in an F150.

Weather conditions weren't great and it was the only 2022 Tundra in the city available for test drives (It wasn't for sale) so I was being pretty cautious driving it.

I thought the new Tundra was...okay. Just liked the F150 better.

We don't have option groups as the US. So, a SR5 TRD Off road only comes 1 way. No way to add a bigger screen, tow mirrors, adjustable pedals, etc...

That being said it was cheaper than the F150 XLT I spec'd.

 

[Martinjmpr]

Found a nice 2018 F150 Super Crew

3.5L Eco with 26k miles

XLT Power Equipment Group, XLT Special Edition Package, XLT Sport

FX4 Package with 7050 gcwr

That doesn't look right.

GCWR = Gross Combined Weight Rating, i.e. truck + trailer total weight of 7050? That seems pretty low.

Could it be a 7050 GVWR, i.e. max vehicle weight rating?

Given that the F-150 weighs around 5200lbs a 7050 GCWR would mean you could only tow a 1850 lb trailer which seems absurdly low for a full size pickup.

My 2018 CCSB has a 7000 GVWR, so 7050 seems like a reasonable GVWR for a 6.5' bed truck.

I have no idea what my GCWR is (I guess I could look it up) but I regularly pull a 3500 - 4000 lb R-Pod through the Colorado Rockies with a bed full of gear so I'll bet I'm close to 11,000# GCWR. And I "only" have a 3.31 axle.

You didn't mention if it has the trailer tow package but I assume it does? If you pull a trailer that has electric brakes, for sure get the built in trailer brake controller. It's one of my favorite things about my F-150: No more "knee buster" hanging below the dash!

Mine also has the "trailer backup" gimmick which I've never used because, um, I know how to back up a trailer.

 

[Todd780]

Because it doesn't share the same engine platform.
The 3.7 cyclone/3.5 duratec/3.5ecoboost etc is a common engine platform with major design commonality. The turbo versions have tons of issues compared to the NA longitudinal versions. Transverse applications have water pump issues. My guess is the power from the boost stretches the chain, as NA 3.7/3.5 don't have the same issues. Something must be related to oil dilution as well as the direct Injection one's with long oil change intervals seem to have more issues than non.
And no I don't have links to back up my statements at this moment

Links please?

 

[phsycle]

It was okay. They only come with 3:31's with no option for anything else. I'm sure it's fine but, I'm going with 3:55's in an F150.

Weather conditions weren't great and it was the only 2022 Tundra in the city available for test drives (It wasn't for sale) so I was being pretty cautious driving it.

I thought the new Tundra was...okay. Just liked the F150 better.

We don't have option groups as the US. So, a SR5 TRD Off road only comes 1 way. No way to add a bigger screen, tow mirrors, adjustable pedals, etc...

That being said it was cheaper than the F150 XLT I spec'd.

Hm. That’s too bad. I did have high hopes for it.
Pricing is interesting. In the past, trim-per-trim, the pricing was about the same with Toyota being slightly more. Ford’s sticker price was higher but lots of incentives to bring it down. With the incentives gone, Ford is more.

 

[D45]

My 2012 :

7,950 lbs GCWR

 

[Todd780]

Hm. That’s too bad. I did have high hopes for it.
Pricing is interesting. In the past, trim-per-trim, the pricing was about the same with Toyota being slightly more. Ford’s sticker price was higher but lots of incentives to bring it down. With the incentives gone, Ford is more.

That's what I found too. I was really expecting to like it and worked numbers out on it. I was all set but then decided to drive an F150 and liked it better.

But, now I'm reading the 2022 are being discontented and things that were standard if even still available are now extra cost options.

Anyway, D45 don't let 3:55's sway you.

 

[jbaucom]

My 2012 :

7,950 lbs GCWR

You've confused GVWR & GCWR. I don't see a 2012 F150 configuration with a GVWR spec above 7700 lbs, nor a GCWR below 10,400 lbs. Your 2012 must've had a GVWR of 7650 or 7700 lbs (depends on wheelbase) and a GCWR of 17,100 lbs if you had the Max Trailer Tow package, otherwise your GVWR would've been either 7200 or 7350 lbs with a GCWR of 15,500 lbs.

GCWR is the gross combined weight rating - that's combined weight of truck and trailer.