FlashHole's M416 trailer Build

TheJosh

Explorer
What wall thickness of tube are you using for the lid frame? I'm surprised it warped that much.

For the hinges I decided To do bolt on versus weld just so I can keep a nice finished look the on the hardware instead on having to spray in all the nooks and crannies of the hinge and it would ease of replacement later down the line.

I like the straps on the side I think it's a cool touch and if I were you I'd do it just for the added support and you won't have to worry about it later
 

Adventure Copan

Adventurer
Man sry your having all these issues! Like I told you mine warped a lot to and I had to work around it. Grrrr... But your pressing on and that's great!

Bolting vs welding is somewhat about what's best for you really. We welded all the main structures on ours and are bolting tire carrier, side tool boxes, sand ladder mounts...etc.

I know you said welding makes your liner "smoke" so maybe bolting is best...? I know that probably wasn't super helpful.

-Daniel Kent
 

Flashole

Adventurer
Man sry your having all these issues! Like I told you mine warped a lot to and I had to work around it. Grrrr... But your pressing on and that's great!

Bolting vs welding is somewhat about what's best for you really. We welded all the main structures on ours and are bolting tire carrier, side tool boxes, sand ladder mounts...etc.

I know you said welding makes your liner "smoke" so maybe bolting is best...? I know that probably wasn't super helpful.

-Daniel Kent

I still may bolt them on. I haven't really made up my mind yet. The frame is currently at a local metal fabricator to have the skin pieces bent and cut. I'll make my mind up later I guess.

I need to decide on weather stripping because I assume that I should set the lid on it, prior to bolting or welding the hinges on.

Also, I need to order some shocks for the lid. Does anybody have any idea what size and weight I should order? I honestly have no idea.
 

TheJosh

Explorer
I still may bolt them on. I haven't really made up my mind yet. The frame is currently at a local metal fabricator to have the skin pieces bent and cut. I'll make my mind up later I guess.

I need to decide on weather stripping because I assume that I should set the lid on it, prior to bolting or welding the hinges on.

Also, I need to order some shocks for the lid. Does anybody have any idea what size and weight I should order? I honestly have no idea.

Let me know if you gave any ideas the weather stripping. I picked up some door weatherstripping last week but ended up returning it cause I just don't think it'll work like planned. I kinda have the same type of gap issues with my lid and tub. Probably about a 1/8" gap in certain places due to the tub not being perfect so I hope a good weatherstripping will help.

Your progress is coming along good, what do you have in mind for painting? I'm getting close to starting on the bodywork but I have no idea how to do it. So I assume I'll have to use alot of body filler to make it look somewhat straight.
 

Flashole

Adventurer
Let me know if you gave any ideas the weather stripping. I picked up some door weatherstripping last week but ended up returning it cause I just don't think it'll work like planned. I kinda have the same type of gap issues with my lid and tub. Probably about a 1/8" gap in certain places due to the tub not being perfect so I hope a good weatherstripping will help.

Your progress is coming along good, what do you have in mind for painting? I'm getting close to starting on the bodywork but I have no idea how to do it. So I assume I'll have to use alot of body filler to make it look somewhat straight.

Just spent a good hour looking online for weatherstripping. I think I want this http://www.trimlok.com/prod/D-Profile/Rubber-Seals/All-Product-Categories_145/1458-Series-Rubber-Seal_103.aspx?ProductID=103&CategoryID=145, but can't seem to find it in a reasonable quantity/price. I looked at some stuff at a local hardware store that would probably do the trick, but it just isn't as thick and durable as I'd like. Weatherstripping isn't as cheap as I thought it would be.

As for the paint, I am fortunate that I used to paint cars for a living, so I will be doing that myself. But that was a very long time ago, and all I have now is a cheap harbor freight HVLP gun. I am a little nervous, but I think I can still fumble my way through it. At one time, I was a good painter, but like I said, it was a very long time ago.
 

3d fj

Observer
very inspirational build. I just picked up an m416 two days ago. Its in pretty good shape. I would love to make the interior water tight as it does has numerous perforations. i was curious... the floor is normally connected to the frame via thin angle iron that is welded to the underside of the floor and bolted to the frame. Did you do the same for your floor or did you do something else to attach it to your subframe?

also, how did you manage to fill in the little holes in the tub walls? I have to do this part. Is is possible to use bondo? The few holes that i have are either bolt holes for something or actual perforations from rust that existed previously.

I am on the fence about fabricating my own lid vs. buying one... (if you think your welds aren't pretty, you obviously have never seen mine!) What would you say is the best way to check squareness of the tub? Plumb line and protractor?

Also, have you check out jcwhitney for weatherstripping? Only problem is, i don't know if they give size dimensions. I think they ask for car models and apply a size.
 

Adventure Copan

Adventurer
Man those are the best seals I've seen for Stick on!! I bookmarked that page and that's what's going on our trailer.

-Daniel Kent
 

Flashole

Adventurer
Man those are the best seals I've seen for Stick on!! I bookmarked that page and that's what's going on our trailer.

-Daniel Kent

Daniel, the problem with that site is that you have to order it in 200' rolls and it costs close to $200. If you find it cheaper, or in a smaller quantity, be sure to let me know. Or, maybe we could do a group buy and divide it up. I don't know about you guys, but I only need about 25'.
 

Flashole

Adventurer
Flashole what paint system are you going to use?

I have no idea at the moment. It will probably be the cheapest urethane sealer and base coat I can find followed by a middle of the road clear coat. I will update the thread with details once I get that far.
 

Flashole

Adventurer
very inspirational build. I just picked up an m416 two days ago. Its in pretty good shape. I would love to make the interior water tight as it does has numerous perforations. i was curious... the floor is normally connected to the frame via thin angle iron that is welded to the underside of the floor and bolted to the frame. Did you do the same for your floor or did you do something else to attach it to your subframe?

also, how did you manage to fill in the little holes in the tub walls? I have to do this part. Is is possible to use bondo? The few holes that i have are either bolt holes for something or actual perforations from rust that existed previously.

I am on the fence about fabricating my own lid vs. buying one... (if you think your welds aren't pretty, you obviously have never seen mine!) What would you say is the best way to check squareness of the tub? Plumb line and protractor?

Also, have you check out jcwhitney for weatherstripping? Only problem is, i don't know if they give size dimensions. I think they ask for car models and apply a size.

On my trailer, the floor just sat on the frame and was connected by straps that were welded to the sides of the tub and then bolted through the sides of the frame. the angle iron was just welded to the floor to make it more rigid. When I replaced the floor and had to put in the sub frame, I drilled down through the floor, sub frame and frame and bolted it down. I'm still going to replace the side straps though. Hopefully you won't have to go through all that. Do as much work as you possibly can with the tub on the frame. I learned that the hard way.

I just welded up all the small holes and welded patches in the larger ones. Pick up a good copper spoon to lay behind the holes when you are welding. You can get one from harbor freight for about $10. Welding up the rust holes can be frustrating because you just burn the hole bigger until you get to some solid metal. Take your time and get on and off the trigger quite often.

As for checking for square, a tape measure from corner to corner will tell you if you are square, but a long straight edge or string line will tell you how much your upper rails are bend. You might as well plan on using angle iron to square out the top edge of your tub. It will make building your lid go much smoother and it just looks so much better. If I were to start over with a perfectly straight tub, I'd still go that route. I like The Joshes idea of using C channel if you can find it. But if you go that route, your rails ave to be straight enough to fit the C channel over it.

My welds have gotten much better as I've gone along. Still frustrating because I can lay down a few really good welds in a row, then immediately lay down a really horrible one.

Thanks, I will check out jcwhitney.

While you are at it, you might as well start a build thread. The advice you get from others is very valuable. Plus, we all like to see pictures:sombrero:
 

Adventure Copan

Adventurer
Daniel, the problem with that site is that you have to order it in 200' rolls and it costs close to $200. If you find it cheaper, or in a smaller quantity, be sure to let me know. Or, maybe we could do a group buy and divide it up. I don't know about you guys, but I only need about 25'.

I'm open for a possible group buy since we're both local. I'll have to measure how much I need and get back to ya.

-Daniel Kent
 

Septu

Explorer
While you are at it, you might as well start a build thread. The advice you get from others is very valuable. Plus, we all like to see pictures:sombrero:

I'll 2nd this. Not only for the pictures (but those are awesome too), but for idea's as people look to see what they do and do not want. Having just picked up a trailer, I've been scouring threads looking to see what I like, and what I don't so I can figure out what I want to do with mine.
 

Flashole

Adventurer
Weatherstripping

For those of you who are looking for a source for good weatherstripping where you don't have to buy in bulk, I think I may have found a good place.

I called these guys http://www.uni-grip.com/2011_catalog.pdf and they offered to send me a few samples that they think will fit my needs. What I gathered is that the weight of the lid and the size of the gap will be the determining factors. The cost is approximately $2/ft and you can buy as much or as little as you want. Once I receive the samples(middle to end of next week), I will do my best at giving a review and making a recommendation.
 

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