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[Globatrol]

Hi STU, Honestly we are still on our way home from an extended overseas trip! Just chomping at the bit to get the next rig underway! Your 649 looks great! Realistically I'm in research mode currently as I'm really green to these vehicles! I'll be building a custom camper body so whats on the back isn't really that important, so yep it's going to be a project for sure. I'd like to be in the market right now but probably not in a position to purchase for a spell yet, need to get life back in order and kick out the tenants that have been paying for our holiday so I've got somewhere to live again - hmmm they don't know that yet... haha... Your 649 looks excellent - if you do decide to move it on do let me know, I might have myself organised by then...

thanks - Justin

 

[Bris31]

I have 2003 FG649 3.9L (4D34-3AT3B Diesel - ADR80/00). With stock Turbo & Intercooler and no common rail. When I was researching to buy a canter couple of years ago, I was reading here somewhere these model started from 2002 until 2007. It does not have limp mode.

 

[gait]

...It does not have limp mode.

there isn't a limp mode as such. However, there are a few fault conditions that either stop the engine or limit it in various way.

for example, accelerator switch problem limits accelerator opening to 30%

accelerator switch error - Generated if accelerator switch signal is abnormal when compared with accelerator
position sensor 1 or 2 output.

Recoverability - Reset if signal is back to normal with starter switch in ON position.

Control effected by electronic control unit - Accelerator opening limited to approx. 30%.

there's even an error that stops the engine if the computer thinks its rotating backwards - though I'd hope its cleared as soon as it stops ....

 

[blackduck]

cheers justin
im in no hurry, i actually love these little trucks but as this one was built to travel and now we are stuck in perth (grand kids) it just sits there
as far as buyers go its a limited market place
once you get set up give me a yell we can get together over a beer and talk canters
im in the rockingham area

 

[Bris31]

there isn't a limp mode as such. However, there are a few fault conditions that either stop the engine or limit it in various way.

for example, accelerator switch problem limits accelerator opening to 30%

Thanks for the information. Everyday learn new things about canter (though it is a scary one).

 

[Globatrol]

Haha, yep it would be really nice to know it it's running backwards! Sounds like there are a few sensor related issues that could make for a slow day but I'm guessing they are generally pretty reliable as well...

thanks - Justin

 

[Globatrol]

Sometimes it may be better no knowing! well maybe...

 

[Globatrol]

I figured the SWB was pretty nimble and capable given I think it's even shorter than the Patrol... Might be wrong there...

Given such a short wheel base I expect handling suffers in other areas as opposed to the longer version, 2 different animals I guess!

 

[Globatrol]

I have 2003 FG649 3.9L (4D34-3AT3B Diesel - ADR80/00). With stock Turbo & Intercooler and no common rail. When I was researching to buy a canter couple of years ago, I was reading here somewhere these model started from 2002 until 2007. It does not have limp mode.

Great that narrows it down! And is pretty well in the age bracket I was leaning toward...

thanks...

 

[gait]

I discovered the running backwards fault when I had a flashing engine warning light due to low turbo boost at high altitude (4500 - 5000m).

Caused a bit of confusion for a while. The ECU stores the last 5 fault codes but doesn't time stamp them. I deleted the fault codes and started again. Only the low turbo boost fault which was just a warning and I understood why it was there.

FG649 4D34 Turbo very reliable on 3 year trip from SE Asia to Europe etc return. Silly little things like leaking radiator cap and the ruptured little rubber cap on the end of the engine fuel return line and the almost fire when a fuse melted instead of blowing.

 

[Globatrol]

Always something!

I discovered the running backwards fault when I had a flashing engine warning light due to low turbo boost at high altitude (4500 - 5000m).

Caused a bit of confusion for a while. The ECU stores the last 5 fault codes but doesn't time stamp them. I deleted the fault codes and started again. Only the low turbo boost fault which was just a warning and I understood why it was there.

FG649 4D34 Turbo very reliable on 3 year trip from SE Asia to Europe etc return. Silly little things like leaking radiator cap and the ruptured little rubber cap on the end of the engine fuel return line and the almost fire when a fuse melted instead of blowing.

Well at least I know you've been up at those altitudes with nothing more than the usual problems that occur on any extended journey! I know there are plenty of these trucks out and about and as usual you only really hear the horror stories so it's nice to hear from someone directly about their altitude performance. Completely understand the low boost warning at those elevations!

Did any faults actually stop you in your tracks, requiring you to clear them to get moving again?

Thanks again Gait

 

[Aussie Iron]

there isn't a limp mode as such. However, there are a few fault conditions that either stop the engine or limit it in various way.

for example, accelerator switch problem limits accelerator opening to 30%



there's even an error that stops the engine if the computer thinks its rotating backwards - though I'd hope its cleared as soon as it stops ....

There might as well be a limp mode then because it works very much the same.

Dan.

 

[Bris31]

I figured the SWB was pretty nimble and capable given I think it's even shorter than the Patrol... Might be wrong there...

Canter SWB wheelbase is the same as Patrol Y61.
Patrol Y61 5th Gen: W/Base:2,970mm Length:5140mm GVM:3500kg Payload:754kg max
Canter SWB FG649: W/Base:2,970mm Length:5140mm GVM:4500-6000kg Payload:2000-3500kg.

About 3 years ago I was in similar situation as yours. I made a comparison chart of few 4WD vehicles which could give comfortable offroad camping experience over long range and period. I got maximum ticks for Canter FG649 & Isuzu NPS250/300. Then on this forum I had great advice and help from experienced people in building one camper truck which so far has worked great in my situation.

 

[Globatrol]

Thanks Bris31, Everything you just said is pretty well where I am, and the conclusion I've come to! Our current Patrol has a pop up camper on it and it's worked extremely well given we've been travelling in it for nearly 3 years... I can't complain but now we want a little more space and the obvious extra load carrying ability. Given the similarity in size to the Patrol in many respects and the obvious off road capability which is something we thoroughly enjoy it's not been an overly difficult choice to make! Nice to hear I'm not barking up the wrong tree. I'd have to say this forum is excellent, honest opinions is what I'm after and the guys here seem to give it! Hopefully I can keep on using the knowledge base out there and get the result I'm after.

cheers.

 

[Amesz00]

Canter SWB wheelbase is the same as Patrol Y61.
Patrol Y61 5th Gen: W/Base:2,970mm Length:5140mm GVM:3500kg Payload:754kg max
Canter SWB FG649: W/Base:2,970mm Length:5140mm GVM:4500-6000kg Payload:2000-3500kg.

About 3 years ago I was in similar situation as yours. I made a comparison chart of few 4WD vehicles which could give comfortable offroad camping experience over long range and period. I got maximum ticks for Canter FG649 & Isuzu NPS250/300. Then on this forum I had great advice and help from experienced people in building one camper truck which so far has worked great in my situation.

649 swb is 2780, lwb is 3380.