FZJ/FJ 80 Help please?

MoGas

Central Scrutinizer
Test drove one!!!


93' Cruiser: 218000K
Sun roof does not open, only lifts up.

Average miles for that vintage. If the sunroof is flat across when closed and does not rattle, use it as a bargaining point. Then just never use it. For repair, the rail assemblies that have the cables and such list for around $530 each and you would need 2. The headliner on 93-94 is very fragile and will require a professional to remove and reinstall. This is with you doing all the other labor yourself. If you take it somewhere that specializes in sunroofs, they may have aftermarket parts available for less, but if it goes to Toyota, it will easily be a $2K fix.


Small oil leak, from who knows where? Leaks only on bottom and the front skid underneath the belts starts then goes all the way back. Top of the engine is clean
Hard to say without seeing for myself, but common culprits are, in order of time/expense to repair: Distributor O ring, Valve cover gasket,
Front crank seal/oil pump cover. (I combine those, because you have to remove the crank pulley to replace the oil pump cover seal, and if you don't replace the oil pump cover seal while replacing the front crank seal, you're just silly), Oil pan arch seals, Rear main seal.

Hoses all are in good shape, no rot and seem very pliable.
I never trust hoses of unknown age.

Driver side mirror shakes terribly!
There are fixes for this in the FAQs on Mud. I bit the bullet and replaced both with new assemblies.


Gas pedal!!! Whats up with that? I need led feet to push down hard enough, but it really was not a big deal, just silly.
Probably just needs a new cable. They do wear out and get a bit of a hitch in the travel.


Tranny shifts great
Of coruse. It is, after all, the superior A442F.


Brakes just done, stops great
Supporting documentation or he said that they were done?


carpets extremely clean, no rot, smells, or anything under them too.
It is common for someone to either clean the truck really well to hide something or just because they want a nice presentation. You have to go with your gut. If the rest of the rig is detailed to a consistent level, I would lean more towards presentation.


Muffler, slight rot on tail pipe end, but frame is perfect condition, no rust or scratches
Without pictures it is hard to advise on this. They all seem to get a little rust at the tail pipe from the condensation dripping out. When water condenses, it is very pure and is the most corrosive because it can leach minerals from the surrounding environment easier.

Buttttt, clicking in the front. Bad birfeilds. This would be perfect because I expect to do them anyways.
Use this as a bargaining chip.

Price is $4000.

Point out the birf clicking, sunroof issues, and mirror shaking, I'd walk if he won't take 3K. Without seeing it myself, 4K is already competitively priced. Also take a good look at the headlights. If there are any chips in the glass or condensation in the lens, they list for 350-400 depending on build date. That reminds me, on a 93, if the A/C drier is up high, forward of the battery tray on the left side, it is (or was) R12. It cools the cabin better, but is more expensive to repair due mainly to the cost of the refrigerant. It may have been converted. If it is behind the bumper, it is R134. You can also look at the tag on the driver's door for the build date. "Early" '93s are before 05/93.

'93 was a little bit funky because ABS was still an option. You could potentially end up with drum brakes and therefore a semi floating rear axle. If it has ABS, it will have 16" wheels, rear disc brakes, and a full floating rear axle.

On any '93 or 94 that you look at, pull the glove box down by pinching the edge stoppers in and look at the part number on the ECU. If it is 89661-60221, you are fine, If it is 89660-60220 or 89661-60170, they are known to develop issues. This is only on 93-94 model years. '95 and newer are OBDII and use a different ECU that will not interchange directly into an earlier OBDI truck.


I am not just going to jump on the first one but wow, I want to. They drive so smoothly and quiet. Cruise at 70 on the highway, and you guys are right, my 88 XJ could drive faster, but less power at higher speeds. Picking up speed, no way, but very tanky!!!

I am in love.

Yup
 

Topgun514

Adventurer
Well I still would like to test drive a 3FE engine but have set a target to be driving around in an LC by early Feb. I figure if I like/ can handle the 3FE I will worry less about PHH and HG's and more on axles. Much nicer for me to think about.

But if I get an FJZ80 then I will just do the PHH right away, and have more power and brakes. A potential trade until I either get a land cruiser, or throw in a turbodiesel :) in 100 years.

What should I expect to purchase for mileage, or does that not matter. I know there are many circumstances but what max mileage should I purchase or look for? under 250K, 200K, etc? What would be "too much" when purchasing one?

Thanks
 

Pskhaat

2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
Well, I have two 1996 fzj80 f&r axles unlocked for sale here in Colorado :) for under your fj80...
 

yohavos

Member
Well I still would like to test drive a 3FE engine but have set a target to be driving around in an LC by early Feb. I figure if I like/ can handle the 3FE I will worry less about PHH and HG's and more on axles. Much nicer for me to think about.


Good plan on the test drive, the more you do, the better of an idea you'll have of what you want to get into. The first 80 I ever drove (after drooling over them for months) was at a crappy used car lot. I had no intention of buying it, but wanted the opportunity to check it out. It was a 92, so it had the 3FE, but I was pretty excited to get a feel for the all around visibility and driving experience that the 80 offered.

What should I expect to purchase for mileage, or does that not matter. I know there are many circumstances but what max mileage should I purchase or look for? under 250K, 200K, etc? What would be "too much" when purchasing one?

Thanks

Personally I think maintenance history trumps mileage any day. I've seen some well maintained Cruisers well north of the 200k mark (mine is at 276k and I would drive it across country in a heart beat, in fact I plan on driving it to Alaska and back soon). I also test drove an LX450 with ~100k on it while I was shopping that had more issues than Time magazine. It was a locked pavement queen with 22's on it that was leaking like a sieve and handled like a backyard truggy. Asking price $8500... riiiiiiiigght.

As long as a truck is clean/rust free, and you plan on doing baselining, mileage should be more of a bargaining chip than a deal killer. During my hunt I lowered my price and upped my potential maintenance by looking for higher mileage (200k+) but I understood that there would be more work that might need to be done (steering stuff, TRE's, etc.) that are more "wear through use" items rather than wear over time type items. A lot of your baselining will take care of the "wear over time" things (like gaskets and such) that any 14+ year old truck is going to have, and a lot of modifications (especially suspension) will take care of the other stuff (sagging springs, 14 year old shocks and steering dampener, etc.) so the biggest gamble with mileage is really how regularly the engine was serviced (oil changes and such) through it's use.

If I did have to throw a number out there, I would say that Cruisers with 150k or less seem to be more sought after. I think there's something about being closer to 100k than to 200k that seems appealing.

If a rig feels tight and checks out, I wouldn't let 200k+ miles scare me away, but I would use it as leverage for price.

Keep us posted!
 

Topgun514

Adventurer
GUYS:

Just called the dealership on this one- hate dealerships too but tried for a longshot.

New seals in the front axle and new bearings as well. I am waiting a call from the mechanic on it but it seems promising. The seller said it has been completely re-done mechanically from there shop and they have paperwork to follow too. I may test it out later tonight or this week sometime!

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=4686186
 

yohavos

Member
Some low miles on that 92. It's nitpicking, but the dealer has it listed as an 8 cylinder, beware anything he says to you...

:peepwall:
 

ssssnake529

Explorer
Good deal guys? I talked to him and he says 1K will take it

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=4621867

Seems like a busted tranny. Engine runs, but does not drive he says.

I don't know that I'd go with that one.
It can't be cheap to fix/replace a tranny.

There are better deals on KSL.

Three with Locking Diffs:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=4670400

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=4687270

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=4718139


Some relatively cheap ones that probably won't need a new tranny:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=4696659

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=4676074

165k miles

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=0&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=4669095
 

Topgun514

Adventurer
So you dont think that I could tow it to a shop, give 3-4 K and have a tip top running rig...I agree too. Many options out there. Too bad I just found out my advisor made a mistake (mistakes happen, so I am not upset at anyone) and I have 4 more credit hours left of school. Quite a monetary bummer and prolonged graduation.
 
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Topgun514

Adventurer
Well, my mental debate continues. I may lean towards a UZJ100 series instead. I think the starting cost will be much more but the overall cost of ownership will be less and nitpicky things will be out of my head more. Slightly better mpg, I wont be watching the temp gauge as often, PHH, seals, brakes, etc. And the trails I look to do are not rock-crawling at all, dirt roads, long washboard, slightly difficult, but most good stock SUV-able. Stock Jeep style trails.
 

Schattenjager

Expedition Leader
Didn't think it was possible, but this post just made me love my Cruiser all the more!
:ylsmoke:

The 1FZ takes 3 belts, one of which is for the air conditioner. The other two are basically redundant and run the important stuff, giving you a lot better chance of driving home if you shred a belt.

Not super clear on the 3FE, but I don't see the removal of the AC pulley and belt on either of them boosting your HP much. I'm not a mechanic or an engineer, so I might be dead wrong. You can do a good tune up, adjust kick down cables and advance your timing for little gains.

What I can tell you is that as a non-mechanic, owning an 80 series is the best decision I've ever made. I just changed my original starter out (277k) on the side of the road in front of my place with the small bag of tools I keep in the cruiser. My head gasket was original at 272k when I had it replaced as a preventative measure in preparation for a month on the road.

I had a 92 and now a locked 97. I prefer the 95-97 80's for OBD2, the 2nd/PWR functions on the transmission (nice in 4L/Highway driving, respectively), and the power of the 1FZ. Mine pulls great on the highway with stock gears and 33's. The 92 had 32's on it and was a pig, and though people will argue this exhaustively, I definitely noticed the lack of power offroad in certain situations (especially snow when I needed some power at the wheels) compared to my 97. In terms of other areas where traction wasn't as much of an issue, the 92 was a beast.

As an added benefit, ih8mud.com is an amazing resource, and the 80 Series tech section has some incredibly Land Cruiser smart folks. With that being said, the OCD and attention to detail can run rampant sometimes, which is why you're worried about the dreaded HG in the first place. I'm willing to bet the HG failure rate is much lower than most other vehicles, and is probably only affects a small percentage of 80 series Land Cruisers when compared to the entire population. I see 80's all over the roads up here driven as DD's by people that have absolutely no idea they have lockers and haven't the slightest interest in anything like ih8mud or ExPo. Their HG's are fine, and they will never lose a second of sleep thinking about their birfields or the whether or not their truck has Toyota Red coolant or not. These trucks are so damned durable, it's ridiculous. They run all over the world in horrible conditions without modified fan clutch's, regular front end services, or even the greatest of gas at times.

On top of all that, locally, Cruiserheads are some of the most helpful people you'll ever meet, and I'm willing to bet there's a chapter of the TLCA near you that's full of people that could dismantle a cruiser and put it back together that would all be willing to help you out.

These baby's come overbuilt from the factory for the type of traveling most people on this forum do. Park an 80 next to a Cherokee and take a look at the axles/running gear/drag links/ etc. and you'll see what I'm talking about.

You can't go wrong with a Land Cruiser.

Being in Salt Lake, have you seen Moody's LX450? I'm assuming not if you haven't made the decision to pick one up already :Wow1:



-Mike
 

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