GAP Diagnostic– new products / IIDTool update announcement 12/2013

zelatore

Explorer
There's an Eco feature but I'm not too sure wat that is. Rue calibrating the speedo would be great. With the 265/65R18 (31.5), the speedo is slow by 2 to 3 mph. Not too bad.
Can't wait for the nav on the move feature to work.

Yes, I'm running 275/65-18 Duratracs at approx. 32" and comparing the speedo to the GPS I'm about 3 mph off. Nothing awful, and in fact I've had plenty of stock vehicles with speedos that were no better than that anyway. I just wondered if the tool would do it and I simply didn't see the option. Navigating the menus isn't the most obvious thing sometimes. Then again, most of my wrenching has been done on older stuff. I'm new to this whole OBDII thing in general.

Great. Now I feel old(er)
 

oradba69

Observer
Thanks for the IOS as preferred platform. :ylsmoke:
Probably not possible at all but something that will be cool is if the PDC is engaged currently when you reverse it shows the rear camera. How about switching automatically to the front camera when the front pdc begins to beep?
 

SteveMfr

Supporting Sponsor
Hi Guys,
Adjusting the speedo is not a problem... generally, anyway. We already had this in a beta release a couple of months ago but had some issues with the ECM throwing random fault codes, so we pulled it back. Unfortunately since then we've been so busy with the Pro software and iPad app that we have not time to debug this feature.
We hope to have it in the release after the coming "Pro" update (which will affect all IIDTools). In terms of time; speedo adjustment before summer. Hopefully.

oradba, here is something I wrote on CCF changes a while back:
When we change items in the CCF (car configuration file), what we are doing is editing settings where LR allows changes to be made. The CCF is broadcast on the vehicles bus systems to tell each ECU what it settings are (i.e. what peripherals or optional equipment are/is connected or what the country- or even personal-settings for the vehicle are, such as daytime running lights, lazy locking, etc). We are not actually going in and making changes in the software in the ECUs.

Unfortunately all the changes you are interested in are not CCF settings, but within the SW in the corresponding ECUs. Changing these items would entail rewriting the code for these ECUs and flashing this code to the ECU in place of the original. And in order to rewrite the code, the original code would first have to be reverse engineered = an amazing amount of work.

That said, I don't know if this option may not be available for cars equipped with the 'Vision Assist' package. We will go back and check.
 

oradba69

Observer
Wowwww Steve thanks for the thorough explanation.
Has a price yet been established for the pro software?


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SteveMfr

Supporting Sponsor
No prob. :) The option does not exist, tho.

Makes a lot of sense to me - why would I not want to see my front cam view if I've got my front PDC barking at me? Maybe LR will implement it sometime. Then you can use the IIDTool to flash the SW update. :p
 

Derel1cte

Adventurer
Hi Guys,
Adjusting the speedo is not a problem... generally, anyway. We already had this in a beta release a couple of months ago but had some issues with the ECM throwing random fault codes, so we pulled it back. Unfortunately since then we've been so busy with the Pro software and iPad app that we have not time to debug this feature.
We hope to have it in the release after the coming "Pro" update (which will affect all IIDTools). In terms of time; speedo adjustment before summer. Hopefully.

Do you think the speedo adjustment will get the DSC to calm the hell down when running bigger tires? I'm running 33s and the stability control gets pretty annoying. Any better timeline than "before summer"
 

zelatore

Explorer
Do you think the speedo adjustment will get the DSC to calm the hell down when running bigger tires? I'm running 33s and the stability control gets pretty annoying. Any better timeline than "before summer"

I found out real fast that with a lift/tires the DSC has to be turned off as soon as the road gets twisty. Annoying indeed!
 

SteveMfr

Supporting Sponsor
Do you think the speedo adjustment will get the DSC to calm the hell down when running bigger tires? I'm running 33s and the stability control gets pretty annoying. Any better timeline than "before summer"
Interesting - we had not heard of this issue yet. Can't tell you if the speedo adjustment will make a difference, but we would be very interested in getting feedback from you to see if we can figure out what is up.
Unfortunately, the vague time schedule was on purpose. We are a small company and we have a very aggressive schedule. If development on the IIDTool Pro goes as well as we hope, it will be sooner. If we run into bugs that slow us down, it will be later. We do not want to make promises and end up not delivering. Sorry.
 

zelatore

Explorer
There's active, then there's over-active. I was following an old Camel D110 up into the Sierras and still had the DSC going off on every other corner. Now, I can't say how many Gs I was pulling, but the fact that I was FOLLWING A LOADED DIESEL D110 UP-HILL sort of gives you the idea that it wasn't much!

Luckily there's that handy button on the dash. Of course I never remember to turn it off until the first incident, but at least I can shut it down then.
 

Derel1cte

Adventurer
Interesting - we had not heard of this issue yet. Can't tell you if the speedo adjustment will make a difference, but we would be very interested in getting feedback from you to see if we can figure out what is up.

I kept my LR3 stock for a long time and noticed the difference in the stability control activity almost immediately when I moved to the bigger tires. My guess for the reasoning is that there are speed sensors at each tire and the vehicle is expecting a certain % difference in rotation speed when you have the steering wheel at X degrees. I'm betting that the different diameter is throwing off that ratio and kicking on the DSC? Maybe the speed needs to be adjusted at the wheel sensors, not just the needle in the dash?

The only other thing I can think of is the weight of the larger tires throwing something off, but who knows. Do people running a lift that keep stock tire size get the overactive DSC issue?

If you'd like to send me some beta IID tool programming I'd love to check it out!
 
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zelatore

Explorer
I kept my LR3 stock for a long time and noticed the difference in the stability control activity almost immoderately when I moved to the bigger tires. My guess for the reasoning is that there are speed sensors at each tire and the vehicle is expecting a certain % difference in rotation speed when you have the steering wheel at X degrees. I'm betting that the different diameter is throwing off that ratio and kicking on the DSC? Maybe the speed needs to be adjusted at the wheel sensors, not just the needle in the dash?

The only other thing I can think of is the weight of the larger tires throwing something off, but who knows. Do people running a lift that keep stock tire size get the overactive DSC issue?

If you'd like to send me some beta IID tool programming I'd love to check it out!

Good theory. I had assumed it was primarily due to the higher COG. I did both tires (32" Duratracs) and J-rods at the same time so I don't have a reference of just one or the other. I do know the truck has a lot more sway and nose-dive under braking than it did stock and just figured that also was triggering the DSC.
I guess I could throw my stock 19's back on and try it, but I'm not that interested at this point! :coffeedrink:
 

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