Good Solar gen Power Stations for DC and light AC Truck Campers

Dave in AZ

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Here is a good video review on new Pecron e3600LFP, their new larger powerstation. 3072 Watt-hrs, inverter is continuous 3600W, 2x solar 32-150V inputs at 1200W each and a 3rd solar input 12-30V 150W. 30A 12v DC output, and a 30A 120v ac RV output too. 93% efficient 120v inverter with just a 7W parasitic load, making the 120V even more efficient than dc, unheard of. 79 lbs. If you wanted a larger powerstation for camping, that would run an air-conditioner and full electric cooking setup, this would work well. On sale now too.

Not sure I would get one over an e1500LFP for the Tune, for myself, as I don't need more than the 2200W inverter on that and it's large enough for me.
 

Dave in AZ

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NOT the Ecoflow Delta3 Plus.
See review 26sep24 by ReeWrayOutdoors
Only 1024 Watt-hrs
Only has 3 small dc ports, all very weak, poor for truck camping:
1.a car cigarette port specced at 10A and 126W, but that when tested maxes out at 9A and 105W only, and 2. 2x 5521 ports that are 3A 12.6v only, 37.8W.
This is not enough dc current or peak watts to support a diesel heater on startup, or even the Truma propane heater. Nor run a dc fuseblock.
1800W inverter, not bad and will support most all kettles and induction tops. But 1024 total Watt-hrs capacity is quite low, not even as much as a 100Ah 12v LFP at 1280.
On the Pro side, it does have 2x solar inputs 12-60V and 500W each.
Dc actual Watt-hrs usable was only 81%, just 830 Watt-hrs!
On AC use, 910 Watt-hrs were usable.
 

Dave in AZ

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NOT the Bluetti AC200L
The ac200L has a single 12v output, a cigarette port. That's it. It has a 48v output for RVs, but nothing I know of for truck camping uses that. I personally have 7 dc items needing power:
Fridge, extra LED red lights, Maxxair fan, heating blanket, outdoor LED camp lighting, diesel heater. Then I drive another 6 USB ports around the camper from 12v fuseblock.

My Tune halo lights can go into the USB-C PD, they are actually 24V and use 83W max, the USB-C PD can give 20V and about 75W. They leds don't work well with 12v.

Here are the ac200L specs, for folks reading and thinking. It DOES have a good Wh size, and good inverter size, and very good solar input range, but I can't get past just one single dc cigarette outlet.
BATTERY INFO
Capacity:
2,048Wh (51.2V, 40Ah)
Type:
LiFePO₄ (Lithium Iron Phosphate)
Life Cycles:
3,000+ Cycles to 80% Original Capacity
Shelf-life:
Recharge to 80% Every 3-6 Months
Management System:
MPPT Controller, BMS, etc
OUTPUT
AC Outlets:
4 x 120V/20A Outlets
1 x 120V/30A NEMA TT-30
2,400W In Total
Inverter Type:
Pure Sine Wave
Power lifting Mode:
3,600W
Surge Power:
3,600W
USB-C Port:
2 x 100W Max.
USB-A Port:
2 x 18W USB-A
DC Outlets:
1 x 48VDC / 8A (RV Outlet)
1 x 12V/10A (Car Outlet)
*All Regulated.
INPUT
AC Input:
2,400W Max.
Solar Input:
1,200W Max., VOC 12-145VDC, 15A
Car Input:
12/24V from Cigarette Lighter Port
Max Input:
2,400W, with AC + Solar Input
RECHARGE TIME
AC (2,400W):
1.5 Hours
Solar (1,200W):
2.5 Hours (With prime sunshine, ideal orientation and low temperature)
12V/24V Car Outlet (100W/200W):
≈10 or 20 Hours
AC + Solar (2,400W):
≈1.5 Hours (With prime sunshine, ideal orientation and low temperature)
GENERAL
240V Split Phase Bonding:
No.
Scalability:
Expandable w/ Up to 2 x B210, 1 x B230 or 2 x B300
Pass-through Charging:
Yes
Weight:
62.4lbs (28.3kg)
Dimensions (L x W x D):
16.5 x 11 x 14.4in ( 42 x 28 x 36.65cm)
Operating Temperature:
-4-104℉ (-20-40℃)
Storage Temperature:
-4-113℉ (-20-45℃)
Certifications:
UL2743, UKCA, TELEC, RCM, FCC ID, CE, PSE, NTC
Warranty:
5 Years
 

Dave in AZ

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NOT the Ecoflow Delta 2.
Poor dc support: It only has a 10A car port as max dc amps output. And 2x 5521 3A, 38W outputs.

Here are the specs:

Specs​

Capacity 1024 Wh
Extra Battery Support one DELTA 2 extra battery or DELTA Max extra battery
AC Output 6 outlets, 1800W total (Surge 2700W)
Max Device(s) Power (with X-Boost)
2200W

USB-A Output 2 ports, 5V, 2.4A, 12W Max

USB-A Fast Charge 2 ports, 5V, 2.4A / 9V, 2A / 12V, 1.5A, 18W Max

USB-C Output 2 ports, 5/9/12/15/20V, 5A, 100W Max

Car Power Output 1 port, 12.6V, 10A, 126W Max

DC5521 Output 2 ports, 12.6V, 3A, 38W Max

AC Charging X-stream Fast Charge 1200W max

AC Input Voltage 100~120V (50Hz/60Hz)

Solar Charging 11-60V, 15A, 500W max

Car Charging Support 12V/24V battery, 8A

DC Charging 1100W

Battery Chemistry
LFP (LiFePO4 battery)
Cycle Life
3000 cycles to 80+% capacity
Connectivity
Wi-Fi & Bluetooth

Dimensions
15.7 x 8.3 x 11 in / 400 x 211 x 281 mm
Net weight (lbs)
27lbs
Net Weight (kg)
12kg
 

Dave in AZ

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Someone asked me to look at the Goal zero Yeti Pro 4000.

I'm gonna say YES, does all you need, but still not recommend as best choice due to huge and heavy.

In general, good unit with everything you need for truck camping, good inputs and outputs. However, it is more of a whole house backup system, 116 lbs, and has way more inverter and solar input that you can use in a teuck camper. If you don't mind carting around 116 lbs vs 40 lbs for other acceptable units, nor the large fridge-sized dimensions, then it would work fine. For me, I can't imagine hefting 116 lbs the size of a 45L dc fridge, in and out of my truckbed! Back pain, here I come!
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Ok. In general yeti products are overpriced, relying on their early brand dominance for sales.
On sale now for $1999, So not bad at all for the battery you get.
This one does have LFP battery, finally, instead of oooollld bad Lithium ion battery They are using in their 1500s.
This is really a house powerstation.
3994 Wh, good, plenty.

3600W inverter, more than you need or can use in a truck camper. You need 1800W for good electric kettle or induction cooktop, and but really 2000-2200W keeps you running in safer design area. 1200W will do small microwave. Only a big air-conditioning setup needs 3600W. The larger the inverter, the more parasitic power is wasted just running it, usually 10-15% of total battery Wh.

Charging 1800W from plug, super fast but who cares when it's plugged in at home or camp if 2 hrs or 4 hrs?

Solar wow. 3000W, 12-150v, up to 40A. That's house roof size... but the most you can fit on your roof is 700W max, so you don't need any of that.

Output ports are all good, 30A RV 120v plug, 12v 30A output which for me is a must have for truck camper, decent other ports, all good there.

Weight, 116 lbs... heavy and huge!

The good, company with u.s. presence for warranty. The bad, tons of complaints on folks trying to actually use the warranty.

Basically it is heavy and overpowered inverter and solar, more than you can use in Tune. Good for a house backup system if you want to use for both, and don't mind its weight and size.

Summary: good unit and price, but heavy and large to carry always. I would rather get Pecron e1500LFP or Oupes Mega2 still. Then buy cheap 100 or 200Ah LFPs if needed to expand Watt-hrs for more power, at about $240 for 1280Wh right now. 19 lbs. $500 for 2500Wh, 40 lbs. add that to any 1500-2000Wh station, less weight, more power, smaller and more placement options.

If u can fit it and don't mind 115lbs always, that yeti has great specs, will do all you need, simple 1 unit, strongest company in market. Not a poor choice at all.
 

Dave in AZ

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Hi Dave-have you got any thoughts on the Licitti cyberbox 3000?
$1600

Price is bad meh, compare to bluetti etc to decide how you like it.
Specs are all fantastic except 26v max on its mppt input. It can do 40A dcdc from car alternator, which may be all you ever need, no solar. However, on solar it just goes to 26V, which is super low. No series setups. I guess if you can find a panel that is 21v or less, to account for cold weather, you could put a bunch in parallel with 40A capability. Bit it looks like a single mppt input, EITHER alternator OR solar input, not both at once.

2x 50A 12v ports, awesome for running a dc fuseblock.
200Ah of 12.8v, 2560Wh, nice
Good inverter specs, plenty for all teuck camping.
175A 12vdc port... specs say output bit verbiage say usable to expand capacity, so I'd say it is just a direct cable to its internal battery, which makes plugging an external LFP into it for more Wh easy. Unclear how its software would account for more capacity and show.

I'd have to see a video of its software. But looks pretty good.
 

ITTOG

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Great thread, thanks for all the input. I have not bought a power station because of the lack of 12v outputs just like @Dave in AZ has mentioned. It is good to see some options out there with 12V 30A options. I have not looked at all the ones mentioned here so was unaware. A power station with an add on 12V battery is intriguing as well. I could build out my camper and leave the battery in the camper and just hook up the power station when camping. But, that takes up valuable space. This thread is probably all I need to figure out my final design when I get to it. Thanks again.
 

dstefan

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@ITTOG — if you haven’t come to conclusion yet, have you looked at set ups like the National Luna DC25 Power Pack or the KickAss Battery box? Neither has an inverter, but that’s not hard to add. I have the NLDC25 with a 100ah BattleBorn LifePo and its been great for 3 years. I did add an inverter and then latter took it back out due to weight and non-use. Doing it again, I might have gone with the KickAss box as its substantially cheaper than the NLDC25 with very type of configuration and specs. I think either of these fit your requirements stated above. To be honest, I don’t get the value of the “power stations” and their limitations vs a portable box that does just about everything with more capacity and flexibility.

I don’t do solar currently, but early on I did run a portable panel through the boxes built in MPPT and it worked great. I prefer the DCDC charging, but you can do either or both.


They also have a 40amp DCDC version too.

You can see first configuration for me and my rationale in this older post. BTW, National Luna also sells the control panel for the box separately, which could be remotely located and can accomodate bigger batteries than fit in the box, though the box will take up to a group 31, IIRC. Happy to say more about how the set up evolved a bit for me or how I implemented it, but it’s substantially similar to what the old post shows with some tweaks in location and add ons.

Continuing on with electrical . . .

I ran my non-camper 2nd Gen Tacoma with dual Odesseys with my 50qt ARB as the primary draw on the aux battery. Weight management is a big issue for me so wanted LiFePo for weight to amp hour ratio. Plus figured I'd have other other draws in the camper, so a 100 AH Battleborn gives me 3x the AHs for half the weight of my old Odyessy.

Decided on the National Luna DCDC Powerpack (AKA green box). Got some good holiday deals last year, but it may not be the cheapest way to go. I seriously researched the Jackery and others. Lack of good non-solar charging option along with skepticism about Li-ion durability and handing high Phoenix heat as well as the superior amount of amp hours available put me squarely in the Battleborn LiFePo camp. I also don't want to have to install constant rooftop solar if I can avoid it.

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Pro's:
-- Easy to remove (necessary in Phoenix summers where the camper outside can easily get over 120;
-- has 4 50amp Anderson Power Ports (2 for either input or output, 1 for connection to starter battery for charging, 1 for solar input through built in MPPT controller)
-- multiple other USB ports, 12v cigarette ports and 1 Hella port (sometimes called Powerlet), which is higher amp (15 I think) and snaps tight vs normal 12v cigarette ports
-- came with 25 feet of 16mm (~6AWG) cable for the battery connection with fuses and pre-done Anderson plug
-- 25 amp DCDC charger, with Li profile that fits Battleborns
-- MPPT Solar controller
-- On/Off circuit breaker
-- Ports are all pretty easy to switch out can customize, except for the Andersons
-- Year end deal last year included a hardwired monitor, which is pretty useful to watch the solar charging on my portable solar panel when I use it.
-- I could take it out easily and use it in my 4Runner as well
-- I think it's cheaper and/or more versatile than one of the solar generators for the power

Cons:
-- several $100s more expensive than building my own system
-- Stuck with the box configuration. Can't separate components (well, can't do so easily)
-- No inverter as with Jackery's , etc. I used a Victron Phoenix 500amp inverter as you can see in the picture above. Don't really have much heavy duty AC power needs.

Rest of configuration:
I ran the charging cable in a heavy duty loom out the OEM grommets in the Tundra cab bulkhead passenger side and followed the existing P-side electrical lines to the engine bay and starter battery. You can see the cable under the bedrail and then velcro'd to the Bedrug down to the exit in the right corner.
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My wiring run is kinda long as I'm putting my water cans in the P-side corner to be opposite of the 38 gallon gas tank for weight distribution and didn't want the battery box around the water. Plus, Toyota puts their batteries on the D-side, so I had to add about 8' more 6AWG cable to the supplied cable, but it worked out great.

My camper electrics are in the rear D-side
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I rive-nutted two bolts on the right side and used a self tapping lathe screw on the left in the corner (where it's too tight for a rivnut) to attach a 1/4" baltic birch panel. Used 8AWG from the battery cable tied under the bedrail to go up to the Bluesea switch box. I really like the Bluesea box. Water resistant with 4 15amp breaker switches. I found a great gasket sealed plastic box on Amazon that the panel fits perfectly into a cutout I made on the lid so I can just open the box for wiring or changes without pulling the panel board. My Maxxair fan goes to one switch, a set of 5 Led lights for the cabin goes to another, the built in 12v port and dual USBs are switched from the top switch (comes that way) and I have one left for future use.

And, it's mounted upside down :oops:. . . I actually did that on purpose to put the USB port up high for an out of the way plug-in for a Luminoodle I have which we attach under the awning at night.

FYI -- Bluesea makes a 6 switch version of this little panel which might be more useful -- gives you 3 more switches than this since there's no 12v or USB on that one.



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Finally the fridge . . .
I didn't want to have my fridge go through the ports on the front panel of my Powerpack. The 12v ports aren't secure enough to guarantee the connection won't come loose off-road and I didn't want to have the on/off switch turn the power off to the fridge. I could have used one of the 50amp output ports, but that's overkill, plus I use them all. So, I drilled a hole in the side of the box and wired ARB's 10awg fridge loom with it's in-line fuse directly to the battery using a15-45amp Anderson plug. I really like the loom as it has a screw-in plug on the other end for the fridge, so nothing can rattle out. Anderson plugs CAN separate, but I'm using one of their clips to secure it so there's no chance of the fridge disconnecting anywhere in the circuit.
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You can also see I put in a Victron smart shunt (upper right corner) so I can monitor amps in an out, voltage and charging via Bluetooth on my phone. Very useful.
 
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ITTOG

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@ITTOG — if you haven’t come to conclusion yet, have you looked at set ups like the National Luna DC25 Power Pack or the KickAss Battery box? Neither has an inverter, but that’s not hard to add. I have the NLDC25 with a 100ah BattleBorn LifePo and its been great for 3 years. I did add an inverter and then latter took it back out due to weight and non-use. Doing it again, I might have gone with the KickAss box as its substantially cheaper than the NLDC25 with very type of configuration and specs. I think either of these fit your requirements stated above. To be honest, I don’t get the value of the “power stations” and their limitations vs a portable box that does just about everything with more capacity and flexibility.

I don’t do solar currently, but early on I did run a portable panel through the boxes built in MPPT and it worked great. I prefer the DCDC charging, but you can do either or both.


They also have a 40amp DCDC version too.

You can see first configuration for me and my rationale in this older post. BTW, National Luna also sells the control panel for the box separately, which could be remotely located and can accomodate bigger batteries than fit in the box, though the box will take up to a group 31, IIRC. Happy to say more about how the set up evolved a bit for me or how I implemented it, but it’s substantially similar to what the old post shows with some tweaks in location and add ons.
I have seen those but never given them much thought because they are not expandable. However, I may not need another battery. The KA box may be exactly what I need for now. Thanks for the suggestion and all the details. However, with the KA box connected to a power station I would never need another battery. I could use the power stations 12V output and the batter in the KA for plenty of 12V power.
 

dstefan

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I have seen those but never given them much thought because they are not expandable. However, I may not need another battery. The KA box may be exactly what I need for now. Thanks for the suggestion and all the details. However, with the KA box connected to a power station I would never need another battery. I could use the power stations 12V output and the batter in the KA for plenty of 12V power.
Glad it seems helpful. I do think you can expand these type of boxes.

I’m no DC expert, but I can’t figure out why you would not be able to parallel connect another battery through the Anderson port, as long as you’re not exceeding the 50 amp rating of the connectors with your overall loads.

With my NL DC 25 box I wanted a direct connection to my fridge, so there was no likelihood of it ever been turned off or disconnected. So I drilled a hole in the side of the box and connected the ARB fridge loom wiring directly to the battery with a separate fuse. If I needed to add more capacity, I wouldn’t hesitate to directly connect another lithium battery directly through the side of the box, or potentially through the Anderson connectors.

Anderson connectors come in a range of amp ratings up to 350 amps. Just something to consider.
 

ITTOG

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Good point. When I said you couldn't expand I guess I was talking about two batteries in one box or a way to do it as part of the design. Yes the method you described will work. I wonder if I could connect a 12V 30A connection from a power station. That would be nice. I will have to investigate it.

My only hesitation is do I really want a power station. At this time, I don't have anything I camp with that requires AC power?
 

mariosav34

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Thanks for creating this thread and listing all the relevant specs for each power station! I have slightly lower requirements in terms of DC (but still need more than 10A) and on the lower end of capacity (targeting 1kWh). Just found out that Pecron has released EXACTLY what I have been looking for and may even earn a maybe in your list with the caveat of being only 20A 12V DC. I'm referring to the E1000LFP, specs and link below.

BTW does anyone know how long it usually takes for Pecron to ship items? I've heard some good and some horror stories and I do realize horror stories are most likely to be posted and doesn't indicate they're the norm.

Pecron E1000LFP:
$460USD
1024Wh
XT60 20A 12V (Hopefully reg to 13.4V?)
1800W AC
600W Solar input (XT60, 1-60V)
29lb
App Control (important for my needs, hopefully works reliably)

 

Dave in AZ

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Thanks for creating this thread and listing all the relevant specs for each power station! I have slightly lower requirements in terms of DC (but still need more than 10A) and on the lower end of capacity (targeting 1kWh). Just found out that Pecron has released EXACTLY what I have been looking for and may even earn a maybe in your list with the caveat of being only 20A 12V DC. I'm referring to the E1000LFP, specs and link below.

BTW does anyone know how long it usually takes for Pecron to ship items? I've heard some good and some horror stories and I do realize horror stories are most likely to be posted and doesn't indicate they're the norm.

Pecron E1000LFP:
$460USD
1024Wh
XT60 20A 12V (Hopefully reg to 13.4V?)
1800W AC
600W Solar input (XT60, 1-60V)
29lb
App Control (important for my needs, hopefully works reliably)

I thought I did the new Pecron e1000LFP up above. I like that one as the minimum size I'd use.

The 11-60V 600W 20A solar mppt means you probably can't run panels in series, as they'd have to be 25Voc or less to do 2 and still account for cold weather voltage increases. And most 200W or larger panels are > 25Voc. However. With 20A max and 600W max, you could run two in parallel and be ok, as any excess Amps just get unused and are safe. While excess volts will burn out the powerstation.

The 1024Wh capacity means 850Wh or so will actually be usable. Well, here is a great review from @ReeWrayOutdoors

The 1800W inverter was not able to power the inrush cirrent for a lot of small tool motors like circular saw, etc, and for me I do use mine to do small house repairs off site, so want to at least power a circular saw or chop saw to cut a board. BUT, for truck camping the 120V needs to power non motor appliances, mostly a 1400W or so electric kettle, so this works fine for that.

The two key issues for me are enough 12v Amps to run everything I need simultaneously, and enough Wh to get through a day/night. For this:
12V 20A xt60 output = 240W:
LED lights, say 50-75W.
Maxxair fan, 36W
Diesel heater, 120W startup, up to 60W on high
== 230W on heater start... I'd turn other loads down for that.

Capacity: this 850Wh or so is pretty tight for cold weather if heater used.
12Wh diesel startup, 400-600Wh to run 10hrs, = 610Wh.
Maxxair fan overnight to avoid condensation, 20W x 10 hrs= 200Wh
LED lights, 5 hrs, maybe 250Wh. That adds up to 1060Wh to get through cold night with heater, without scrimping, which is more than this station has.
HOWEVER, for $170 you can buy another 12.8V 100Ah LFP mini, getting 1280Wh extra, and just hook that up to trickle charge the E1000LFP, or directly into fuseblock. Then recharge from powerstation when it is getting charged like while driving. You need a 120V LFP battery charger for this, a 15A or 20A one works fine, so long as the 20A doesn't trip the Pecron 120v output limits... 15A probably best to be safe. I have a few videos showing how I do this, and so does every guy on Youtube. Here is one to give you idea:
 
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dstefan

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My only hesitation is do I really want a power station. At this time, I don't have anything I camp with that requires AC power?
It’s easy enough to add an inverter either through the 50amp Anderson, or directly to the battery inside if you’re gonna need to draw more that 50amps. I had one for awhile, but took it out and am very happy to lose the weight and added complexity of systems.

IMO, unless you fall into the “gotta cook all electric” camp or want to run electric heat or AC and carry a massive amount of AHs for that, one doesn’t really *need* an inverter. There’s nothing wrong with any of that approach, but I’m happiest with minimal weight and gear that keeps me comfortable.

I have and use 12v: heating pad, electric blanket, 2 small fans + the Max fan. All my charging is USB off the house battery, my WeBoost is 12v, my heater is propane and 12v. I do carry an old, small 300 watt inverter with a 12v plug that I have used just once in 90+ trips, but just in case for a couple re-chargeable things I use to manage a bad back. My saw for trimming is a manual Japanese Silky saw that’s fast and easy. If I need drill driver or power saw, I have battery Ryobi ones that they make a 12v charger for, but I never do. I find it worth while, but YMMV depending on camping and exploring style.
 

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