Group-buy Pull-Pal: Ends 1/26/15

I wouldn't think a loaded FJ would weigh more than 6500 lbs or so (guess) and don't see why a 11k would not work. If in doubt go 14k.

Some have mentioned that if your vehicle is bogged down/stuck real good...like up to the frame in mud for instance...that the effective net pull required to get you out can be 2-3X that of the vehicles weight...would you agree? I see you are an experienced instructor...perhaps you have seen this first hand?

:)

Mike
 

dp7197

Adventurer
Some have mentioned that if your vehicle is bogged down/stuck real good...like up to the frame in mud for instance...that the effective net pull required to get you out can be 2-3X that of the vehicles weight...would you agree? I see you are an experienced instructor...perhaps you have seen this first hand?

:)

Mike

Yes Mike, the force needed to recover your vehicle is dependant on many things. These are what you determine in your stuck assessment. Some of the things that would affect your recovery are your GVW, what you are stuck in (mud, clay, sand - i.e. the "mire" factor), how deep you are stuck, the gradiant, and any mechanical problems with your vehicle.

These are the recovery resistance calculations that you would do when stuck. Not to oversimplify things, but when a winch is purchased the loaded/max/gross vehicle weight should have been known and a winch with 1.5X the pulling power (minimum) would have been chosen. If used in the power zone with a pulley block(s), the winch is either going to get you out or you may need some more help.

These are the things I would look for in a recovery class as well as an instructor who is certified. Good luck.
 
GSVR for your Truck seems to be, as stock, about 6K. A little more than an FJ...I have moded like you...So we are about the same in weight perhaps...so have you used the PullPal(I assume so ) and was it pretty effective? How "stuck" were you may i ask? :)

cheers and thanks

Mike

I have the RW11000 for my tundra and it is more than enough, and My truck weights alot.
 

flyingwil

Supporting Sponsor - Sierra Expeditions
Again still not update from Pull-Pal, I know the owners were out on vacation and I thought they were due back this week. I will continue to try and get through on the phone and e-mail and keep this thread updated. Thanks for your patience in all this.
 
Anyone know or experience this? Let's say you buy a Pullpal that is 'too small' for your vehicle weight and "stuckness", and you try to use it to extricate yourself. What will be the result of the effort? Failure? Okay sure-and if so, failure of what? Winch line connection at the Pullpal?? Certainly wouldn't expect that the Pullpal would surface if it was too small...

Any experiences of a fail with a PullPal out there? If not, hypotheses of the result of a failure? :)

Mike
 

Howard70

Adventurer
Any experiences of a fail with a PullPal out there? If not, hypotheses of the result of a failure? :)
Mike

Hello Mike:

No experience with PullPal failure, but some hypotheses based on reading the manufacturer's comments on the difference between the RW14000 and RW16000:

1. The 16K has "wings" added to the plow spade to increase the surface area. Thus I'd suspect that overloading a 14K with a load appropriate for a 16K could result in the PullPal slipping in the substrate. It might not "surface" but it might continue pulling through the earth and thus not function as an anchor.

2. The 16 K has a heavier duty down tube and shaft than the 14K. Thus it would seem that bending or twisting the down tube and shaft could occur if a 14K was "overloaded". There are a couple of points on the assembly that are connected with fastener hardware so it might require larger or higher grade bolts to handle the increased load.

The connection of the winch line to the PullPal would depend on the shackle you used. If you attached a snatch block to the PullPal and fixed the end of the cable back to the vehicle with a 16,000 pound winch you might load that shackle to 32,000 pounds. Cheap shackles rated to 32,000 could have pins of 1.25" or larger. If the 16K PullPal came with a hole smaller than that at the end of the shaft and you liked cheap shackles then the shackle could fail. On the other hand if you use shackles completely constructed of alloy steel, like Skookums, you can get a 1" shackle rated to 32,000 lbs (safe working load).

Just guessing, I'd say the most likely "failure" would be that the PullPal would pull through the substrate, but I'd like to hear some empirical observations!

Howard
 

mingthemerciless

New member
Jeez , you guys tend to overthink things a lot. If the anchor were buried and one were able to pull more than it was rated for, I believe that it would just bend away from the direction of pull probably somewhere around the bolt goes thru the gusset. If these things were truly rated at 16k pounds it would mean that one could reasonably expect to vertically (like a crane) pick up 16000 lbs using the Pull Pal as a hook. I don' t think anything they make would stand this treatment. These devices rely in part on rolling resistance as anyone with a modicum of experience will tell you that a high centered vehicle, or for that matter one stuck in thick mud will load the land anchor way beyond what it was designed to pull.
 

brushogger

Explorer
Again still not update from Pull-Pal, I know the owners were out on vacation and I thought they were due back this week. I will continue to try and get through on the phone and e-mail and keep this thread updated. Thanks for your patience in all this.

Thank you Will for putting so much effort into this. You are the one having to exercise patience. We're just kicked back and chillin'. :beer:
 

cactusjk

Explorer
I asked Pull Pal a question and mentioned a group buy and they quickly said they know nothing about it?


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