HiLux gets new diesel

[haven]

http://www.trucktrend.com/news/1506-toyota-introduces-new-turbodiesel-engines-for-hilux-pickup/

Toyota has designed new diesels for the HiLux pickup. The 2.8L turbodiesel produces 332 ft lb of torque, up from 260 ft lb in the 3.0L diesel it replaces.

Still no news about introduction to North America, but the new diesels use selective catalytic reduction (SCR) of NOx via diesel exhaust fluid injection. The current European standard for diesel emissions is similar to USA, so it's likely that the new engines could be tuned to meet EPA standards.

 

[MobTuff]

You think they wont opt for the Cummins 5-liter turbo V8 engine?

 

[Dave Bennett]

If Toyota fails to bring a small diesel to market in North America they are morons. I can't believe they're still dithering in light of the competition...

 

[haven]

332 ft lb is good, but it's a little low compared to the competition. The new 2.8L Duramax diesel Chevy plans to put in the Colorado is expected to produce 369 ft lb of torque. And the 3.0L V6 diesel used in Jeep and Ram vehicles produces 420 ft lb. Let's hope Toyota's approach delivers better fuel economy than the competition.

 

[SportsmanJake]

What is the allure of a diesel engine in a mid-size pickup? Are they more reliable? Better fuel economy? Enlighten me.

 

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

I've already heard that Toyota has no plans to bring the diesel to the USA.

Maybe this is like a senator emphatically stating "I am not running for president!"

 

[deadbeat son]

What is the allure of a diesel engine in a mid-size pickup? Are they more reliable? Better fuel economy? Enlighten me.

Simply put, range.

 

[SSF556]

What is the allure of a diesel engine in a mid-size pickup? Are they more reliable? Better fuel economy? Enlighten me.

Range is the most important feature for a dedicated overland rig. Plus diesels perform better at high GVW/towing. Most if not all overland rigs max out or exceed the GVW....that is where a diesel excels.

Now all that being said I am not sure the new diesel with DEF, regenerations, and complex fuel systems are the best choice for overlanding. If complexity is an issue for you a modern diesel engine may give you nightmares.

My GC CRD has the 3.0L Mercedes diesel engine....I have done some things to make it a little more reliable plus it does not use DEF. The engine really comes alive when I am fully loaded at 6200 pounds and still get 24*mpg all day long at 72mph or close to 450+ miles per tank. At that weight the torque allows me to maintain cruise speed with minimal shifting. The diesel just does the hard work with ease. (* If Jeep had not limited the diesel to a 5 speed transmission this # would be higher. Also I have seen mid to high 20s cruising at 65mph. And lastly in before all of the miracle gas powered rigs on this site who are getting 26mpg fully loaded and towing a trailer going 80mph.

At the end of the day you will burn less fuel than a comparable gas powered vehicle, but the diesel may use more engine oil (generally diesels require more oil 10 quarts vs 6 quarts for example). And maintenance will add up...filters and special oil is more expensive.


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[Dalko43]

What is the allure of a diesel engine in a mid-size pickup? Are they more reliable? Better fuel economy? Enlighten me.

Better long-term durability than a gas engine, though perhaps more maintenance over that time.

Better gas mileage.

Also comparable if not better engine performance than gas (when comparing similar displacement engines). The diesels normally have lower HP #'s than comparable gas engines, but they usually have much better torque (which is really more important for most traditional SUV and Truck owners).

Downsides: more expensive purchase price; price of diesel fuel is about on par with gas, if not slightly higher; and diesel requires special considerations for extreme cold weather.



To the OP, I really hope Toyota starts bringing this diesel, and others like it, to the States...there are plenty of people who want them, Toyota just needs to follow through on this!

 

[gmacmt]

I really don't understand the diesel argument. All new diesels have to comply with inane emissions goals making them maddeningly complicated and taking up a lot of space under the vehicle. The reliability thing would make sense if you were plan a trip that exceeded 200k miles, but really? You can fully rebuild a gas motor after you put 200k on it for the additional cost of a Diesel engine at the time of purchase. And range? Auxiliary fuel tank isn't that hard, and you could easily reach 500+ miles without having to deal with jerry cans. Maybe in places where gasoline isn't super available, but those places are becoming less and less common.

I see the need for towing, but the v6 in the modern Tacoma is more than adequate for what most people are planning on taking on an overland journey.

Flame away, but I think the biggest reason to have a diesel Tacoma (apart from towing) is to have a diesel Tacoma. Plus the sulfur differences in developing countries doesn't jive well with modern emmissions systems (afaik) so you would have to remove that equipment and reprogram the ecu and void the warranty and not pass smog in your state.

Flame away, but I'll stick with a gas truck and save money since I'm not hauling a boat

 

[haven]

One feature of diesel engines not mentioned above is high torque at low rpm. Gas engines need higher rpm to make the same torque. That can make a difference when you're trying to pick your way through an obstacle on a trail.

 

[calicamper]

I've already heard that Toyota has no plans to bring the diesel to the USA.

Maybe this is like a senator emphatically stating "I am not running for president!"

With an estimated Billion dollars spent convincing Americans that Hybrid tech is the solution Toyota will wait till the Tacoma sales have tanked and is getting a major wooping in the sales numbers before they move to small diesel options in their trucks and SUV's

As for the Tacoma / Hilux a V8 Diesel will NEVER happen it would be totally and completely pointless to offer such a thing in a midsized truck. A tundra on the other hand it would make sense if their sales are taking big hits due to competitors killing them on mileage to the point it starts to really matter to buyers. Was never a fan of the Nissan Titan but it will be interesting to see how it does with the diesel version. Also I suspect that the new Frontier could possibly set a whole new standard depending how Nissan formats it for the US market regarding the little Diesels and how they package it MT versions with spring sprung rear ends vs leaf etc. The new Novara has a coil spring rear end on it that would be interesting to see if it could still retain good capacity along with possibly improving handling etc. No doubt things are starting to get interesting. There is one new Colorado and two new Canyons in our neighborhood which typically only sees Escalades and top end Caddie's from the GM world. The typical fair are Tesla's, Toyota LC's, Range Rovers, Mercedes rigs, lots of Subaru's and Toyotas. So to see some new GM midsized trucks showing up is interesting for sure.

 

[calicamper]

The diesel thing today is not about the classic arguments of durability given we see gas engines doing 300,000 miles all the time today. With the small trucks more so than the full sized trucks I say fuel range given the sizable increase in mileage over the gas version would be a strong argument and having V8 like grunt at very low engine RPM's especially if the gas engines being put in the newer trucks are more CAR focused engines where the higher torque numbers do not appear till your in silly 5000RPM zones which is pretty pointless with a pickup or SUV that would get used on the trail or towing small trailers etc. Given your not going to be running it at 5000rpm so you have the grunt to get things moving.

The cost argument is gone but there are other big advantages of the diesel that should be considered. I'm interested due to the RANGE factor and the small engine vs big V8 like grunt at very usable RPMs. If cost were a reason I'd just buy an older used Frontier or Tacoma given they haven't seen any major changes since 2005 which case pick up a used one for cheap and drive the piss out of it who cares if its getting 16mpg I could burn a whole lot of dinosaurs for the money I didn't spend on a new midsized diesel and still be head on the money game.

 

[toylandcruiser]

One feature of diesel engines not mentioned above is high torque at low rpm. Gas engines need higher rpm to make the same torque. That can make a difference when you're trying to pick your way through an obstacle on a trail.

The 2f in my cruiser peaks out at 1800


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[toylandcruiser]

With an estimated Billion dollars spent convincing Americans that Hybrid tech is the solution Toyota will wait till the Tacoma sales have tanked and is getting a major wooping in the sales numbers before they move to small diesel options in their trucks and SUV's

As for the Tacoma / Hilux a V8 Diesel will NEVER happen it would be totally and completely pointless to offer such a thing in a midsized truck. A tundra on the other hand it would make sense if their sales are taking big hits due to competitors killing them on mileage to the point it starts to really matter to buyers. Was never a fan of the Nissan Titan but it will be interesting to see how it does with the diesel version. Also I suspect that the new Frontier could possibly set a whole new standard depending how Nissan formats it for the US market regarding the little Diesels and how they package it MT versions with spring sprung rear ends vs leaf etc. The new Novara has a coil spring rear end on it that would be interesting to see if it could still retain good capacity along with possibly improving handling etc. No doubt things are starting to get interesting. There is one new Colorado and two new Canyons in our neighborhood which typically only sees Escalades and top end Caddie's from the GM world. The typical fair are Tesla's, Toyota LC's, Range Rovers, Mercedes rigs, lots of Subaru's and Toyotas. So to see some new GM midsized trucks showing up is interesting for sure.

I don't think that's true. Hybrids are available over seas and they still offer Diesel engines.


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